Short Rant

EllieK · #1 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 08:19 PM

I get sooooo frustrated trying to guess how my body is going to react to food!!!!

Today I woke up with migraine and nausea (great way to start the day) Ate regular for breakfast (eggs, broccoli). BG was doing just fine. Decided I wasn't real hungry at lunch - nausea still hanging out so opted for some cooked vegis and a bit of cheese, sounds reasonable doesn't it?

Well I forgot to check at two hours - so checked at 3.5 - I was 166. Which for me means that I was over 200 at the 2 hr mark. What the f*** ??!!!

Sometimes I get really tired of this......

Thanks for allowing me this rant, I'm waiting to get my newest A1c back but I'm thinking my pancreas is getting testy with me. (I've had more than this one in the last few weeks).

You guys are great - I have been so thankful to have this forum.

matingara · #2 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EllieK

Well I forgot to check at two hours - so checked at 3.5 - I was 166. Which for me means that I was over 200 at the 2 hr mark. What the f*** ??!!!

not necessarily. what your were at the two hour mark can only be known by measuring at the 2 hour mark. you cannot extrapolate and expect it to be right.

what veggies did you eat at lunch? (what kind/how much of each?)

-- Joel.

EllieK · #3 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 08:40 PM

I had about 1.5 cups of cauliflower and a few pieces of broccoli.
About 2 oz. cheese. (ate from Salad bar so didn't measure exactly)

the reason I exptrapolated was that I do usually keeps tabs on how fast I come back to 'normal'. I've done several days of choosing a meal and testing every half hour after to see what my body does - when the insulin kicks in, how long I stay high - that sort of thing (kinda OCD I know but interesting). By 3 to 4 hours I am usually back in the under 115 range. And I don't usually stay so high for so long with cauliflower and broccoli (those are usually safe vegi's for me)

Thanks for writing back

mazea · #4 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 11:21 PM

That is strange. If your basal was correct,The 2 ounces (conversion 4 tablespoons of cheese) and vegetables would have had little if none carbohydrates in them. Cheese tends to make the carbohydrates be absorbed more slowly anyway and you wouldn't have absorbed the carbohydrates very quickly.

Is it possible that you had eggs (high fat) for breakfast and a lot of cheese the day and this might have been converted to glucose the day you had the high blood glucose? Fat converts to glucose the next day.

EllieK · #5 (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 12:14 AM

Fat converts the next day? That's a new one to me.
Thinking back to yesterday.....I had 1 oz of cheese for afternoon snack, otherwise it was chicken, salad, and some homemade chicken soup for dinner - but I did have 1 Tblsp of coconut butter for dessert (high fat, low carb)

Thanks for the info - I will have to start watching that.

mazea · #6 (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 01:21 AM

My dietition told me that I should stay foods with above 10% fat as a general rule.

Evermont · #7 (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EllieK

Fat converts the next day? That's a new one to me....

Gretchen Beckers book (First year T2) says 4 to 6 hours.

jerryn · #8 (**permalink**) 07-19-2008, 11:28 AM

Ellie... At 3:15am the high glucose could be from your liver, now what you ate.

BrianSCohen · #9 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EllieK

I get sooooo frustrated trying to guess how my body is going to react to food!!!!

Today I woke up with migraine and nausea ...

Ok, stop with this fat stuff. Fat really does not affect your blood sugar.

What does effect your blood sugar is STRESS. Guess what, you had a migraine!!!!! That alone could cause dramatic elevation of your blood sugar.

I really hope you feel better.

Hammer · #10 (**permalink**) 07-21-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianSCohen

Ok, stop with this fat stuff. Fat really does not affect your blood sugar.

I read that eating fat or having excess fat decreases the number of insulin receptors that are needed to drive the insulin into the cells. By decreasing the number of insulin receptors, you end up with too much glucose in your blood since the glucose can't be properly driven into the cells. Did I read that wrong?

BrianSCohen · #11 (**permalink**) 07-22-2008, 08:26 AM

Hammer,

Where did you read this? I can't find anything on this. I did find an article (Dietary Fat Saturation Affects Glucose Metabolism Without Affecting Insulin Receptor Number and Affinity in Adipocytes from BHE Rats -- Pan and Berdanier 121 (11): 1811 -- Journal of Nutrition) that says glucose uptake was better when you have beef tallow versus corn oil. It found no change in insulin receptors.

Now it is true that high fat stores down regulate insulin receptors. This means that carrying extra body fat can result in marked insulin resistance.

davef · #12 (**permalink**) 07-22-2008, 08:47 AM

Ellie,

I'd guess that Brian hit the nail on the head, your migraine and nausea - sounds reasonable I hesitate to use "logical" when it comes to this darn disease.

Feel better soon, I can relate to how numbers going mad can be frustrating!

Hammer · #13 (**permalink**) 07-22-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianSCohen

Hammer,

Where did you read this? I can't find anything on this. I did find an article (Dietary Fat Saturation Affects Glucose Metabolism Without Affecting Insulin Receptor Number and Affinity in Adipocytes from BHE Rats -- Pan and Berdanier 121 (11): 1811 -- Journal of Nutrition) that says glucose uptake was better when you have beef tallow versus corn oil. It found no change in insulin receptors.

Now it is true that high fat stores down regulate insulin receptors. This means that carrying extra body fat can result in marked insulin resistance.

I think you're right Brian. What I had read that eating fat or having excess fat decreases the number of insulin receptors that are needed to drive the insulin into the cells. I assumed (wrongly) that if you decreased the number of insulin receptors, then that must mean that the glucose in your blood couldn't be absorbed into your cells, so that must mean that this excess glucose was still in your blood.

I read about this in some article somewhere and jumped to the wrong conclusion. In fact, doing a little more research, I came across this interesting observation which supports your statements.

As always, when I jump to conclusions, I'm usually wrong.

BrianSCohen · #14 (**permalink**) 07-22-2008, 06:25 PM

Hammer,

You by no means jumped to conclusions. Often the fat brigade has dominated the discussion of what is the best diet for diabetics, and unfortunately they have won the discussion in the past. If just one person asks questions and makes informed decisions, as you have I I would be happy.

Scrabblechick · #15 (**permalink**) 07-22-2008, 09:04 PM

Yeah, Ellie, I'll bet that migraine and nausea is what threw you for a loop, BG-wise. Oh, what stress will do! My mom had surgery today and I woke up at 123. Highest I've been since July 4. It's been flirting with high-ish all day. Lord willing, now that Mama has had the surgery, and by the grace of God, all is well, I'll be all right in the morning.

I can't imagine too many things more stressful on the body than a migraine. Ugh. I do hope you're feeling better.