Diabetes and Resistant Starch

Debbie Sue · #1 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 12:55 PM

This something new to me. My MIL gave me a recipe for low carb quick bread and the it needs resistant starch as an ingredient. Never heard of it until today. I wondered how it effected diabetes so I Googled it and this is what I found. I included a link below for an article I read about it and maybe others can help educate me on this too.

Beans Seen to Discourage Weight Gain and Diabetes

cyberus · #2 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 03:20 PM

RE: The article.
In beans the "resistant" non-fiber "starch" is actually a large complex sugar called oligosaccharide, which is too large for your body to digest, unlike fiber however the bacteria in your gut however do break it down producing gas

unless you take Beano, which allows your body to break down and digest it as a SUGAR.

Debbie Sue · #3 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 03:54 PM

So beans are ok?

cyberus · #4 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Debbie Sue

So beans are ok?

If you are low carb no, beans are a huge source of carbs.

I was just pointing out (probably unsuccessfully) that what they called "resistant starch" in the article most likely is something other than the resistant starches used for low carb products ... since I can't believe a line of breads that act like beans when digested would be all that popular if you get my drift

Debbie Sue · #5 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 04:24 PM

Drat! I love beans, but I'm low carbing.

Debbie Sue · #6 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 04:28 PM

According to this site, The GI Diet - Glycemic Index Traffic Light Food Chart

beans are a low GI food. This is so confusing trying to eat healthy.

cyberus · #7 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Debbie Sue

According to this site, The GI Diet - Glycemic Index Traffic Light Food Chart

beans are a low GI food. This is so confusing trying to eat healthy.

I guess I should ask if you are trying to go low carb and how many g of carb per meal/day you plan on taking in.

The glycemic index from what I understand is an index of the speed at which certain carb source is digested ... not a index of how many carbs i. If you are going to eat a carb the stuff in the green zone won't hit you as fast and hard but they are still carbs.

cyberus · #8 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 04:57 PM

Here is what I think you are looking for for your bread recipe.

Hi-Maize 5-in-1-Fiber - 77-437

Nice find BTW .. I may pick some up and see how it works as a corn starch replacement and/or a way to make low carb tortillas at home.

Debbie Sue · #9 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 06:54 PM

The dietician at the diabetes ed. class figured 188 carb grams per day for the 1500 calories she said I needed to lose weight. I don't NEED that many and want to go as low as safely possible. For now I'm at or around 75-100 carb grams a day.

Thanks for the link to the Hi Maize product. I'm not sure if they sell it here, but I'll check Whole Foods tomorrow.

georgepds · #10 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 07:27 PM

"Metformin 500mg 1x mornings
Metformin 1000mg 1x dinner
Benicar HCTZ 20mg/12.5mg 1x daily
B Complex 1x daily
Vitamin D 400 IU 1x daily

Cholesterol 233
Tryglicerides 194
HDL 49
LDL 145 "

Hi

I notice you post your meds and stats, and you got me curious. Has your doctor recommended a statin to help with your chokesterol?

--G

Debbie Sue · #11 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by georgepds

"Metformin 500mg 1x mornings
Metformin 1000mg 1x dinner
Benicar HCTZ 20mg/12.5mg 1x daily
B Complex 1x daily
Vitamin D 400 IU 1x daily

Cholesterol 233
Tryglicerides 194
HDL 49
LDL 145 "

Hi

I notice you post your meds and stats, and you got me curious. Has your doctor recommended a statin to help with your chokesterol?

--G

Not yet. We'll be chatting about it at my next appt. I hope my chol. level has dropped enough to not need a med. That's just what I don't want is another med to take.

cyberus · #12 (**permalink**) 08-09-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Debbie Sue

The dietician at the diabetes ed. class figured 188 carb grams per day for the 1500 calories she said I needed to lose weight. I don't NEED that many and want to go as low as safely possible. For now I'm at or around 75-100 carb grams a day.

Thanks for the link to the Hi Maize product. I'm not sure if they sell it here, but I'll check Whole Foods tomorrow.

Around here for a type 2 a carb intake of 75 is about as high as I've seen anyone talk about .. 100? wow. I went to 40 a day and sucked my BG levels down so fast it made my docs head spin I've just gone up to a max of 60 a day as the metformin has kicked in.

As a side note you won't find a lot of people around here that think MOST (hello duck) dieticians and nutritionists are clueless at best as to whats REALLY good for diabetics.

The hi-maize link store only charges 4.49 flat for shipping and they have lots more low carb baking stuff.

Heres a link to a resistant wheat starch with low carb numbers
Resistant Wheat Starch 75

however they don't say that its GI friendly like the hi-maize.

Debbie Sue · #13 (**permalink**) 08-10-2008, 10:18 AM

Then what do other type 2's eat since their carbs are so low? I don't want to live on lean meat and sf Jell-O... hehehe! Also, I need to get more obsessed about exercising more and eating less. It's amazing how my bs #'s come down after some exercising.

And the dietician thing? I have to agree with you. The dietician I talked with is not a diabetic and stated she was complying with the ADA's regulations on balanced dieting.

cyberus · #14 (**permalink**) 08-10-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Debbie Sue

Then what do other type 2's eat since their carbs are so low? I don't want to live on lean meat and sf Jell-O... hehehe! Also, I need to get more obsessed about exercising more and eating less. It's amazing how my bs #'s come down after some exercising.

And the dietician thing? I have to agree with you. The dietician I talked with is not a diabetic and stated she was complying with the ADA's regulations on balanced dieting.

Read around here and find ideas, there are also low carb forums that are helpful. Also bear in mind that as you look around these places you won't find many low fat references.
Yesterday I had for my meals
.. a 2 fried eggs and sausage patty for breakfast 2g carbs
.. tuna salad in half a ww pita with some radishes on the side 14g carbs
.. cottage cheese and Dole romaine salad mix salad with turkey and parm vinegarette 9g carbs
.. salisbury steak with mushroom gravy and green beans 16g carbs

Grand total of 41g carbs

HelenM · #15 (**permalink**) 08-11-2008, 03:07 AM

Debbie, Theres a huge amount of info on the use of the Glycemic Index for both weight loss and BS control on the 'official' site. The Glycemic Index Check out both the FAQs and the newsletter.
I'm not type 2 but I do have very many reservations about extremely low carb diets and use the GI index a lot in my own carbohydrate choices.
A passsing thought about the beans, there is a description in diabetes stories of a man that became type 2 in the '70s. He was put on an experimental diet in which beans played a major part. For many years until his wife died he kept with the diet. Fo, r many years he was a glider pilot. In 2005 he was still driving and wanted to attempt wing walking(at the age of 86!)