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09-26-2008, 02:05 PM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 782
| | | Triglyceride question
I have a question regarding triglycerides. Diagnosis a month ago, I’ve really dropped the carb intake and the few carbs I have been ingesting are of the low glycemic variety. Lantus only, starting at 10U, to 16U by midmonth, weaned down to 5U for the past week because the numbers have been good. Exercise has been minimal. I’ve dropped 14 pounds in the first month.
As far as lipids. One month ago: cholesterol 194, TG 162, HDL 38, LDL 123. Today: Cholesterol 161, TG 161, HDL 32, LDL 98.
I realize that many carb foods are low in cholesterol – and raw/steamed/cooked plant foods have none. My diet consists of a lot of animal protein, which is where you find cholesterol. Yet my cholesterol dropped nearly 20% in one month. I’ve cut out the carbs, which is supposed to be what affects triglycerides the most. Yet my TG’s remain the same. I’d almost expect the opposite to happen – A rise in cholesterol and a drop in TG.
What gives? I’m extremely pleased with the significant drops in total cholesterol and LDL. Don’t like that my HDL dropped though. But for the life of me, can’t figure out why the TG’s haven’t dropped.
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09-26-2008, 02:09 PM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: St. Charles, IL
Posts: 560
| | | Try to get more exercise and try some fish oil tabs daily. The "minimal exercise" is not good.
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09-26-2008, 02:32 PM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South Dakota
Posts: 902
| | | For me, the key to low triglyceride is lowering glucose.
Mine is 70
-Lloyd
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10/28/09 5.4 7/20/09 5.4 4/20/09 5.3 1/20/09 A1c 5.2 12/2/08 A1c 5.0 10/6/08 A1c 5.1
8/11/08 A1c 5.2 5/12/08 A1c 4.92/18/08 A1c 4.9 11/2007 A1c 5.3 8/2007 A1c 5.5 6/2007 A1c 5.7
3/2007 A1c 6.9 12/2006, A1c 7.8 9/2006, A1c 8.5 6/2006 A1c 8.7 |
09-26-2008, 03:25 PM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Jun 2007
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| | | can't rembmer the exact numbers, but I reduced my TG from ~150 mg/dl to ~75 mg/dl by taking fish oil tabs
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09-26-2008, 03:30 PM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: May 2007
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| | | I think the myth that your cholesterol come from eating cholesterol has been debunked enough here and other places.
Cutting down the processed carbs, eating more protein, eating more fibrous veggies will all help lower your LDL's and trigs.
I too feel that going low carb calls for more strenth type exercises. Lifting heavy things such as your body or weights will be the most beneficial.
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09-26-2008, 04:21 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 2,461
| | | Could losing weight be increasing triglycerides? Tri's are sucked out of fat cells and circulate in the bloodstream until they are used for energy.
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09-26-2008, 04:57 PM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South Dakota
Posts: 902
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Originally Posted by BlueSky  Could losing weight be increasing triglycerides? Tri's are sucked out of fat cells and circulate in the bloodstream until they are used for energy. | Mine went down at the same time my weight and glucose went down. Not saying it can't happen, but it does not fit with my experience.
-Lloyd
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10/28/09 5.4 7/20/09 5.4 4/20/09 5.3 1/20/09 A1c 5.2 12/2/08 A1c 5.0 10/6/08 A1c 5.1
8/11/08 A1c 5.2 5/12/08 A1c 4.92/18/08 A1c 4.9 11/2007 A1c 5.3 8/2007 A1c 5.5 6/2007 A1c 5.7
3/2007 A1c 6.9 12/2006, A1c 7.8 9/2006, A1c 8.5 6/2006 A1c 8.7 |
09-26-2008, 05:06 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bucks County, PA, USA
Posts: 1,372
| | | Statins. My cholesterol numbers and triglycerides are textbook perfect or better.
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09-27-2008, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by owlyn Statins. My cholesterol numbers and triglycerides are textbook perfect or better. | i am low carb and a statin and a fenofibrate. the fenofibrate made the most difference to my TG.
in fact the trigs are maybe too low now. 
-- Joel.
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A1c's
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early July 2007: 16.2%; early Sept 2007: 8.0%; early Dec 2007: 5.9%; early Jun 2008: 6.4%; early Apr 2009: 6.4%
triglycerides: 89 (1.0); HDL chol: 50 (1.2); LDL chol: 19.5 (0.5); total cholesterol 87.5
Lantus before bed - 14u; Novorapid for meals (averaging 10-16u per day); Lowish carb diet |
09-28-2008, 06:10 AM
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I am a: Type 1.5 | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 130
| | | Years ago, a very smart family doctor told me that lipids often go up while a person is losing weight. The TG in your blood streamn in that situation may be body fat on its way out.
She said to wait to about 6 months and not draw any conclusions until then.
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09-28-2008, 01:33 PM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dallas
Posts: 32
| | My TRIS's were 5200 (Not a typo) this week.  |
09-28-2008, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by matingara i am low carb and a statin and a fenofibrate. the fenofibrate made the most difference to my TG.
in fact the trigs are maybe too low now.
-- Joel. | i have mis-spoken here. the BIGGEST factor in lowering my triglyecrides was to switch to a low carb diet.
the SECOND BIGGEST factor for me is the fenofibrate.
the statin does not seem to do anything.
IMHO.
-- Joel.
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early July 2007: 16.2%; early Sept 2007: 8.0%; early Dec 2007: 5.9%; early Jun 2008: 6.4%; early Apr 2009: 6.4%
triglycerides: 89 (1.0); HDL chol: 50 (1.2); LDL chol: 19.5 (0.5); total cholesterol 87.5
Lantus before bed - 14u; Novorapid for meals (averaging 10-16u per day); Lowish carb diet |
09-28-2008, 07:02 PM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 2,461
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Originally Posted by Brassmonkey My TRIS's were 5200 (Not a typo) this week. | That is really high. Very high levels can cause pancreatitis, and I would be concerned about a medical cause, like hypothyroidism or kidney disease. Have you been checked out for these problems?
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09-29-2008, 01:40 AM
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I am a: Type 2 | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 782
| | | Thanks for the replies everyone. I'd like to think that lottadata and Bluesky are right. I hope it's basically TG's leaving the body.
One of the fringe benefits of my job is that I have access to these expensive tests. I'll keep checking the numbers monthly. So far, everything "bad" that was high (CRP, Ferritin, LDL, Cholesterol, BG) has been dropping significantly aside from TG's, which stayed the same. Anything poor results that were low (magnesium, transferrin) are now normal.
It's nice to see some reward for hard work.
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09-29-2008, 04:39 AM
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I am a: Type 1 | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toledo, Ohio, USA
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Originally Posted by Brassmonkey My TRIS's were 5200 (Not a typo) this week. | SEE YOUR DOCTOR NOW!
Take this as a medical emergency. You are just waiting for a stroke or heart attack.  
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