[MCS]

BG doing good, 109 FBG, stayed in bed awake to long this morning, I am sure that is why it was high. Maybe to early to tell being off the MET for only two days, but everything seems OK. 1 Hr PP lunch was 94. Noticed my digestion has slowed, may have to increase the Benefiber with a lunch time dose. The MET has something to do with digestion of carbs, maybe substitute it with rice bran extract if I notice an increase in my BG. Rice Bran has a lot of resistant starch. BP doing well, 135/80, just replenished my bottle of Celery seed extract and Magnesium Gycinate to help keep BP down.

[MCS]

3rd day off the meds and I had to give the Barbie a try again.

1/2 pound or so of Barbie, with Corn nuggets, fried Okra, Coleslaw, green beans. Before that I had to taste a local made Ginger Ale, 41g of sugar 12oz. I drank 4oz and decided to put it away. It was really good and hot spice wise. Any way I have conviced myself that indigestion and high BG go hand in hand. The corn nuggets, fried Okra alone would not have caused my BG to sky rocket like it did. This meal was with out the MET, and looking back I did better this time than last. My BG went higher than before but for a shorter duration. This is the evidence that is convincing me about the link between the duration and peak of my BG and the speed of my digestion process. But I will not repeat this episode again, Barbie is out the door for me.

Initial BG: 88
1 hr: 180
2 hr: 170
3 Hr: 122
4 hr: 102

FBG this morning: 105 pretty much normal for me. BP bumped up as well with all the food and sodium, 145/90, last night.

This morning 135/80 not to bad, managable.

Even though I am off the MEDS I am not normal by any means. One interesting thing though I have noticed my BG is going lower now than when I was on the MET. I barely ever went below 95 when on the MET, now I see 85 with out exercise and with a change of diet. Anybody got any ideas?

[foxl]

No ideas ... but after testing post-meal from something like that, I note in my log, YEP, STILL DIABETIC Have you lost weight or maybe stabilized from a crisis of beta cell loss?

BTW, I LOVE real ginger ale, the hot stuff!

I would love to make my own and ad splenda ... cause most companies do not make commercial SF!

[MCS]

Yea the Ginger Ale was very very good, not a D drink by any means. The curious thing was that I didn't feel bad at all, instead I felt quite good. Had a little indigestion, which I knew was coming eating all of that pork. Normally I would have felt awful with my BG that high. I washed and rinsed my hands until they were prunny, because I just couldn't believe I felt that good and my BG was that high.

[MCS]

Interesting point to providing more evidence in the speed of digestion issue.

I retested the Barbie meal again, left-overs. Only this time I ate maybe 6 OZ of the pork and the same amount of the corn Poppers and fried Okra, along with green beans cooked with potatoes. This time I finished the meal with 2 Tbs of Benefiber in 8 oz of water.

Initial: 102
1 Hr: 138
1.5 Hr: 125
2 Hr: 105

This was nothing like before, had no indigestion, everything was fine.

I think I will have to add in some rice bran extract, the MET was aiding in the digestion process.

[MCS]

Changed combination of herbals and supplements.

Benefiber 2Tbs three times a day now. This has helped a great deal. BG after breakfast, 2 eggs, whole wheat flat bread and sausage was 95 within 1.5 hrs. Not bad for no MET.

The Gymnema Sylvestre was increased to 3 in the morning and 2 before each meal.

The Chromium Pic, and Biotin is now three time a day.

The Magnesium Gylcinate 800mg of Mag a day.

Still taking the Ginger Root, Cayenne Fruit, L-Arginine, Taurine

Celery Seed extract is 6 day, needed to increase BP creeping up. I suspect I will be able to back down from most of these herbals once I reach proper body weight and get enough adequate exercise. Right now the only exercise I am getting is walking around, which isn't much.

[Jae]

Originally Posted by PERKDOUG

I will swing again:

Saturated fat causes greater insulin resistance (when eaten with carbs) than polyunsaturated fats do.

Pork fat is about 30% saturated. Your fish was probably cooked in something like canola oil thats 5% saturated. The fat from the flax is also low in saturated fat. So is catfish.

Just another possible contribruting factor to the problem. More saturation gives more insulin resistance causes higher glucose.

Strike 2!

In the South no self respecting resturant will cook fish in any oil but Peanut. Will a different oil change the fat content?

[MCS]

I am sure the fat mono, sat, unsat, will have an effect. But I really think it is the length of time it sets in your stomach that gets your BG spiking. When I tried the Pork again but ate a reasonable amount along with the same food items my BG behaved normally. I would agree with you if this scenerio hasn't played out in other food items as well. I am always hunger now, thats the downside. I eat almonds, slim jims, anything I can between meals thats really BG friendly, to control my hunger so I don't over eat when the time comes.

Last night was 2 large Pork Chops, Greek Salad, grilled Veggies, BG initial 97, 1.5 hrs 102, Hardly any carbs in this meal I know but BG is behaving rather well even with out the MET.

Saturated fat causes greater insulin resistance (when eaten with carbs) than polyunsaturated fats do. You got a point here but do not know how to test for this.

[MCS]

Been about a week or more since I last took MET, can't remember, I should have written the date down. BG is going down instead of up.

Dinner the night before was Larrys Giant Subs, 8" New Yorker with all of the fixins and a small bag of Salt and Vinegar Chips.

Initial BG: 88
1hr: 149
2hr: 118
3hr: 85

Not as quick of recovery as I was hoping for but none the less it was OK, Decided maybe 4" sub would do from now on.

FBG yesterday: 85
Breakfast: Hash Browns, Bacon, Eggs
1hr BG: 125
2hr BG: 90

Ate lunch late yesterday 2:00, BG was 73.

FBG this morning: 82,

This is a long way from off the scale on a Urine Glucose dip stick, > 2000. FBG then was in the 300's after a week of eating nothing but meat and eggs.

[MCS]

I have been posting rather oftened, and I appologize if I am boring some of you. My intention and hope would be to some how help others that are having a hard time of it. Please talk to your DOC before you do anything he is unaware of. I am not under a doctors care at this time, but probably should be.

I remembered when I stopped taking the meds, it was 08/04/09, so I am 10 days in with out the MET or BP Rx.

BP this morning 133/84, Still OK

My body is reversing it self back, I would say back to normal, but I have no idea what normal is for me. Never checked my BG before 4 months ago.

I am a novice at this, I was Dx maybe 3-4 months ago. I was only on my second or third months prescription of MET and 4 months of BP rx when I decided to quit both.

BG is staying between 75-115 now, with the occasionaly spike to 140, avg in the high 80's, low 90's. Went to bed at 90 after a couple of cookies, woke up FBG 75.

Not sure which herb is having the most impact, but something is working, or it is the combination of all of them. Any Ideas?

I just went to the Herb store and stocked up on Benfotiamine, as mentioned in another thread. Did some reading, I think my wife and I can both benefit from this supplement. Giving it a go, starting out on 1350mg/day and back off from there.

[Vicki NC]

Not bored at all, MCS. I look forward to seeing how you're doing with everything.

In fact, I have a question. What is the difference between a gel capsule of Magnesium Citrate and the Magnesium you use?

[franniel]

I too look forward to your updates. I lurk in this forum everyday and apart from my intro have never posted. Just had to today to ask you to keep it up as I am so interested. I relate to a lot of what you say and I am similar to you in the sense of trying things and moving on. I feel that I may follow in your footsteps on this one. I am not on meds with good contral, apart from morning highs and I (very) low carb. Keep it up and I wish you luck, even if it doesnt all go to plan I really admire you for giving it a go.

[MCS]

Originally Posted by Vicki NC

Not bored at all, MCS. I look forward to seeing how you're doing with everything.

In fact, I have a question. What is the difference between a gel capsule of Magnesium Citrate and the Magnesium you use?

Magnesium Glycinate is a chelated form of Magnesium, short answer, your body can absorb this type of Magnesium much better. Magnesium Citrate is nearly as good. Magnesium Oxide is absorbed so poorly that it is used as a laxitive. (phillips)

Thanks for your posts.

[MCS]

BG is doing to well, kind of like you know this can't be true type thing.

Morning breakfast: Eggs, Bacon, Flat Bread Toast, and a half of plate of Hash Browns, with Onions, Peppers, Mushrooms fried right in.

Initial BG: 89
45 minutes: ( little nervous about the Hash Browns): 137
1 hr: 123
1.5 Hr: 105

Can you believe this.

Lunch today was Mexican, La-Hacienda, Seafood Burrito, Small amount of chips. BG was back to 96 in less than 2 hrs.

I may try an OGTT if I can find and adequate supply of Glucose or something similar.

[MCS]

I didn't heed my own warning about reheating food. Reheated the night befores dinner. Fijatas, beef, chicken, shrimp, tomatoes, vidalia onion (sweet) peppers. Ate two helpings along with two low carb shells (5 g net carbs). I was doing so well I thought I would eat some cookies (4 flax seed cookies) for dessert. I didn't bother to check my BG at 1 hr, but I felt my BP going up. Wife left to go take care of Grandkid on sudden notice, will be gone all week, was a little upset by this.

I took my BP: 170/100, this can't be right, took it again: 165/95. Decided to check my BG 170 at 1.5 hrs, BG at 2 hrs was 142, woke up this morning at 85, BP 125/75. Nothing like a reminder like that to let you know I am still in training.

I am sure it was the reheating of left overs that created this problem, cookies didn't help matters. Ate the same thing when I made the Fijatas and BG never went over 130, back to normal in 1.5 hrs. The peppers and onions and tomatoes were still crunchy and somewhat raw. WATCH THE REHEATED LEFTOVERS, WATCH THE REHEATED LEFTOVERS, WATCH THE REHEATED LEFTOVERS, REPEAT: WATCH THE REHEATED LEFTOVERS