[yannah]

here is my thing. if I raise my carbs over 70 for the day, its seems I stay too high all day. between 110-140. I do not like that. but I tend to be low in the morning. where as if I stay low carb all day, under 50 - I can stay between 90 and 130 all day but wake up 110-120.

so...... yeah....and....I have no idea.

[MCS]

Originally Posted by yannah

here is my thing. if I raise my carbs over 70 for the day, its seems I stay too high all day. between 110-140. I do not like that. but I tend to be low in the morning. where as if I stay low carb all day, under 50 - I can stay between 90 and 130 all day but wake up 110-120.

so...... yeah....and....I have no idea.

I think in another 20 yrs of this I will of a doctorate degree in over thinking things.

[MCS]

Tried the Hot water Bloody Mary Mix this AM, it wasn't that good by the way.

6:30 FBG 108, Drank approx 12-16oz of hot water with 2oz of Bloody Mary mix. eeeeeaaaaaggggg

7:00 am: 113, ??
7:30 am: 120, boooo
7:50 am: 147, hey, WTF
8:00 Breakfast, Shoneys, Hash browns, eggs, bacon, sausage, mushrooms.

8:50 am: 126, OK
9:10 am: 140, WTF, WTF

So the Bloody Mary Mix delayed things for a little longer, but maybe not quite enough to plug the hole in my liver.

Tomorrow, repeat, this time with a dilute solution of the protien hydrosylates. you just got to love the DP.

[MCS]

Ok so I tried the dilute protien Hydrosylates this morning in a very large glass of hot water. Wasn't that good either.

FBG 6:00am: 99, drank the protien in hot water
7:00 am: 108, OK
7:30 am: 120, eeeee
8:00 am: 134, made it 2 hrs under 140, might be making some head way here.

Stopped at McDangers, got two egg, sausage biscuits and replaced all four biscuits with two slices of flat bread, so 15g carbs.

9:00 am 1hr PP: 167, WTF, back to the drawing board, be back at 2hrs see what I get. Need to go ride my stair stepper a bit.

I swear if I do not have an adeqaute amount of carbs in the morning to signal my pancreas for some insulin, I just keep climbing, ain't this a peach.

I was 78 before dinner last night, wish some of this would carry over into the morning.

[ShottleBop]

I find that, for me, a glass of red wine with dinner, on a day when I have had sufficient exercise (brisk walk of sufficient length, or half hour or so on the stationary bike), followed by nothing after dinner (except for a tablespoonful of MCT oil or a couple of olive oil (what I used while in New York, morning and evening)) seems to help keep my morning BGs where I like them--at least this week. To keep them from rising after wakeup, I pretty much jump up and eat right away: almost always a protein shake (in New York, the EADS AdvantEdge shakes, at home a Designer Whey protein shake, made with unsweetened almond milk--either of those seem to work better than an Atkins shake or a Premier Nutrition shake), an avocado or handful of walnuts or hard-boiled egg (the avocado and hard-boiled seem to work marginally better than walnuts), and a tablespoonful of MCT oil--or a couple of olive oil.

Then again, it could be the phases of the moon.

[NewdestinyX]

Originally Posted by MCS

Ok my lovely late morning DP problem is back, could be the flu like icky thing I got, no matter its back. 90 FBG, 45 minutes later I am at 140, nothing to eat yet, just drinking coffee, no sugar, a little half and half. This sucks, had this problem in the past, the past is now the present now I guess.

So if there are others out there like me, late DP problem, what I am going to try tomorrow morning is as soon as I wake up I am going to drink a very warm to hot glass of water with a little bit of Bloody Mary mix that was left over from last weekend. The mix is low carb, no sugar. Couldn't find any low sodium chicken broth crystals so this is going to have work in its place.

My thinking here is that if I send a strong enough signal to my stomach, that it may in turn shut my liver down from leaking so much unwanted, undesired, darn glucose into my blood stream.

By the way, I had a piece of flat bread toast thinking that was going to do it, 1hr PP: 170, DA__ @#$%^, I guess that didn't work, 2 Hr PP: 105, finally pancreas decided to join in my AM fun. Usual breakfast of eggs, bacon, hash browns, would have shut my liver down, but was on a tight schedule this morning. I got a small window of opportunity in the morning from when I wake up and when I eat, I am not by any means a morning person, this much planning in the morning really is ridiculous. Welcome to D, and all of its funny little things you have to do to maintain.

My body and DP profile is exact to yours, MCS.. So I'm willing to try anything. I just don't think anything before bedtime is going to shut off the liver for long enough.. Fasting is a LONG time for me-- 12AM to 9am is normal for me even at my age.. When I wake up earlier, like Shanny and others, I have a lower number at 5am than 8am -- so I guess that's what you're saying anyway.. We seem to need to shut off the liver dump that happens between 6am and 9am. But I think we have to eat earlier..

My doctor always said that as we get older we 'need' less sleep. I wonder if we still 'enjoy' more sleep over 40 - like 8-9 hours instead of the body really only needing 5-7 -- I wonder if that's why the liver dumps... It 'needs' an earlier breakfast.. We may be fighting nature. What if people with DP are 'sleeping longer' than their body's need? Just another theory for target practice.

I was 118 this am.. by best yet.. Weird too.. the number was identical in knee and pinky finger.. Keep throwin' out ideas.

And I do NOT think you're returning to your old BG struggles -- I am NOW a believer in your method -- I think the FLU threw you off and it will take your body a full 2 weeks to return to normal most likely.

[MCS]

I hope theflu isthe casue.

From I read yesterday, your body shuts off your pancreas's flow of insulin on purpose in the morning allowing your BG to rise. Sure wish there was switch under my arm pit to either stop my liver or turn on my pancreas. Stop my liver would be better, conserve those beta cells.

2.5 hr PP after the Mcdanger Breakfast: 103, what do you know

[rotcoddam]

Hello; I have returned to watching the forum after an absence of quite a few months.
A few thoughts about this vexing problem:
Does it seem to vary with your weight? (Better with weight loss/ worse with gain - or - doesn't matter.)
Does the quality or quantity of your sleep affect it?
Does it matter if you get up with an alarm clock or just sleep until you naturally awaken?
And, the obvious easy answer to you question about the glass of water is - try it! (What the heck are you even asking this question, LOL) ;->

Sincerely,
Rotcoddam

Originally Posted by MCS

Just a thinking here

Something that just came to mind. I had the DP problem pretty bad and I have noticed others are having the same problem. I would wake up at an OK BG, but would soon start to climb well into the high 130's and even 140 at times, just breathing air or eating a small no carb breakfast. It took me having to eat a very large meal so that my stomach could send a signal to my liver to shut the glucose valve off.

I do not seem to have the DP problem anymore. But the thought came to me, what would happen if you would drink a large glass of warm to hot water with say a small amount of chicken broth or beef broth in the morning before your BG begins to rise. Just enough broth in a full glass of warm water to fool your stomach into thinking it had something and then sending its signal to your liver to shut down. This might work even at night before bed.

What do you think?

[MCS]

I haven't used an alarm clock in 5 years now. Just sleep til I wake up, which is usually 6:00 - 6:30 am.

I have noticed a difference in my sleep will effect my DP problem.

I have tried the warm water with, Bloody Mary Mix, and Protien drink, both slowed the DP down but didn't stop it.

Tried a full serving of Protien drink my daughter had, it held it in check for the longest, but raised my BP to an uncomfortable level most of the day.

Taking all of my Vanadyl Sulfate, 60mg at once in the morning. Todays is the first day. FBG 109, 1hr 110, ate breakfast, 0 carb, eggs and sausage, 1 hr PP: 117 so far so good. Did this before and had it rise at 2hrs, In a holding pattern right now.

[art]

My Doc added Glip to my regimen.
Took 2.5 mg last night got up at 126.
Haven't seen that low a number in months

Art

[MCS]

I am at the 2hr mark PP: 112, Not perfect but a lot better than what has been happening in the past lately. Going to try this for the next couple of days, the VS in the morning.

Or why not take all of the VS before I go to bed, any thoughts out there?

[bunbury]

Originally Posted by MCS

8:00 Breakfast, Shoneys, Hash browns, eggs, bacon, sausage, mushrooms.

8:50 am: 126, OK
9:10 am: 140, WTF, WTF

So the Bloody Mary Mix delayed things for a little longer, but maybe not quite enough to plug the hole in my liver.

Maybe that's not your liver .... maybe it's the Hash Browns? Sausages can be loaded with undeclared carbs too. That would be a bad breakfast for me.

[Subby]

Originally Posted by MCS

From I read yesterday, your body shuts off your pancreas's flow of insulin on purpose in the morning allowing your BG to rise. Sure wish there was switch under my arm pit to either stop my liver or turn on my pancreas. Stop my liver would be better, conserve those beta cells.

Maybe the pancreas stops or slows, no argument there. But going by the fact that many insulin dependent T1s get DP anyway (and can get it just as bad if not worse, from my observations), I don't personally think the pancreas shutting off is likely a particularly central factor.

I hear you on the liver. Troublesome thing for those of us who have an unreliable one...

[MCS]

One would think that, but what I have found out is that I have to eat enough carbs to get a insulin response or I will just keep climbing in the morning. I have gone to 150 on nothing but air before in the morning. I have found from past experiences that if I eat potatoes in the morning I get an insulin reponse and my BG will go down.

I avoided carbs in the morning with a passion and did not see the numbers you would expect. Its a balancing act between eating enough carbs and eating to many carbs for breakfast.

Originally Posted by bunbury

Maybe that's not your liver .... maybe it's the Hash Browns? Sausages can be loaded with undeclared carbs too. That would be a bad breakfast for me.

[bunbury]

Originally Posted by MCS

One would think that, but what I have found out is that I have to eat enough carbs to get a insulin response or I will just keep climbing in the morning. I have gone to 150 on nothing but air before in the morning. I have found from past experiences that if I eat potatoes in the morning I get an insulin reponse and my BG will go down.

I avoided carbs in the morning with a passion and did not see the numbers you would expect. Its a balancing act between eating enough carbs and eating to many carbs for breakfast.

I guess it's getting the balance between too few and too many. My carb-counter says 100 grams of home-made hash browns = 35 grams carbs ... and that's a pretty small portion. A couple of mass-market sausages with a lot of padding in them could easily had another 10 grams or more. That's 45 grams for breakfast before adding the rest of the meal.

That's a lot of carbs for breakfast.