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dbaratta · #46 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NewdestinyX

Understood. Can you answer the other part of my question? Are you on a liver dump inhibitor like Metformin now?
And if not - why not?

Thanks!

NO because I had to take 2000mg per day to get very little return. Maybe with this new diet it will work better. What a whirl-wind this has been for me.....

NewdestinyX · #47 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dbaratta

NO because I had to take 2000mg per day to get very little return. Maybe with this new diet it will work better. What a whirl-wind this has been for me.....

Wow 2000mg and NO return. What a drag. Thanks for clarifying it for me, Poppy! Yes -- this new diet is very intriguing!! The fruits still send me too high.

dbaratta · #48 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 03:51 PM

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You know this seems to have gotten a little out of hand. Personally I take all comments as just that, comments on a certain situation and opinions only. I don't take anything here to heart I would always ask a doc before I changed anything having to do with my meds.

Grant, some people in this forum take advice and run with it which I find to be a bit scary so when I post something I think someone might actually try I post (my opinion) or (ask your doc of course) or (just me and my experience). That type thing. Even though no one should ever change their meds without the advise of a doctor you can't be too certain.

Grant and I have had some very good conversations in private and I just think he was misunderstood here is all.

NewdestinyX · #49 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dbaratta

You know this seems to have gotten a little out of hand. Personally I take all comments as just that, comments on a certain situation and opinions only. I don't take anything here to heart I would always ask a doc before I changed anything having to do with my meds.

Grant, some people in this forum take advice and run with it which I find to be a bit scary so when I post something I think someone might actually try I post (my opinion) or (ask your doc of course) or (just me and my experience). That type thing. Even though no one should ever change their meds without the advise of a doctor you can't be too certain.

Grant and I have had some very good conversations in private and I just think he was misunderstood here is all.

I receive your input, Poppy. And will start adding some more disclaimers. That should help me be less misunderstood. It's the 'accusatory fatuous and arrogant tone' and 'twisting of my words' I will NOT tolerate any longer from some.

dbaratta · #50 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 04:26 PM

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Oh believe me I know Frank, I told Grant also that people can take these comments and run with them. We can only hope that people would confirm changes with their docs and not just make changes do to some comments they read in this forum. Written word is difficult to write at times and even more difficult to read at times so I totally understand your concerns.

Moonpie · #51 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 05:26 PM

does anyone think dreams can affect the liver dump? I have switched to taking my metfromin at bedtime, to try & get better fasting numbers in the morning, but they actually are higher now, than when I took the meds with breakfast. 140 to 150 is normal FBG, but I get very vivid dreams, yesterday I woke up, running a marathon ( believe me that is not something I am able ( or want) to do )I was wondering if these active dreams urge the liver to dump more glucose or is that a crazy theory.

dbaratta · #52 (**permalink**) 10-27-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonpie

does anyone think dreams can affect the liver dump? I have switched to taking my metfromin at bedtime, to try & get better fasting numbers in the morning, but they actually are higher now, than when I took the meds with breakfast. 140 to 150 is normal FBG, but I get very vivid dreams, yesterday I woke up, running a marathon ( believe me that is not something I am able ( or want) to do )I was wondering if these active dreams urge the liver to dump more glucose or is that a crazy theory.

Anything is possible I mean if you are stressed by your dreams it could effect blood sugar. I think when I was on met I had nightmares, then when on lantus I had nightmares, now I have nightmares...hey wait a minute, I just have nightmares. LOL sorry, couldn't resist.

Abra · #53 (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 07:27 AM

Just to say that this morning I woke up early at 112, drank about 1/3 cup of whole milk, and 45 minutes later was at 144. So much for my milk theory.

I wonder if drinking a lot of water on arising would help, just by dilution. I don't much like water, so that would be hard for me, but nothing else I've tried seems to have the least effect.

MCS · #54 (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 07:32 AM

What was your BG at 2hrs, that is what I would be concerned with. Did the milk shut things off, you will not know until the 2-3hr mark.

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Originally Posted by Abra

Just to say that this morning I woke up early at 112, drank about 1/3 cup of whole milk, and 45 minutes later was at 144. So much for my milk theory.

I wonder if drinking a lot of water on arising would help, just by dilution. I don't much like water, so that would be hard for me, but nothing else I've tried seems to have the least effect.

Subby · #55 (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Moonpie

does anyone think dreams can affect the liver dump? I have switched to taking my metfromin at bedtime, to try & get better fasting numbers in the morning, but they actually are higher now, than when I took the meds with breakfast. 140 to 150 is normal FBG, but I get very vivid dreams, yesterday I woke up, running a marathon ( believe me that is not something I am able ( or want) to do )I was wondering if these active dreams urge the liver to dump more glucose or is that a crazy theory.

Moonpie, here's another possibility that struck me reading your post. A very common side effect of going low in your sleep is vivid dreaming. I know you are not on insulin, and that metformin in itself should not cause lows - but then again I know some T2s do have hypoglycemia issues.

This would also fit in completely with the idea of a big liver dump and higher numbers in the morning - the body responds to a low by releasing sugar from the liver.

I really am not offering this as an explanation, as I do not know if you are likely to be going low. However, I would if I were you, set an alarm and test a few points in the middle of the night, a couple of nights - to see what your BGs are actual doing overnight.

MCS · #56 (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 07:42 AM

FBG this morning: 106, Its OK, but is a little high for me, still hoping things normalize.

6:30 am: 106, Took all my pills and followed that by drinking a large cup of coffee with 2 tbs of, yes real sugar, 25grams of the white stuff and whole milk. Breakfast was Flat bread toast, eggs, sausage.

1hr PP: 130
2hr PP: 110

I was a little hesitant trying real sugar, 25grams and the whole milk 4grams, and the flat bread 15grams, so 44grams of carbs. I think I got an insulin response, can't think of no other explanation for this response.

By the way, if you want to bicker with each other, start your own thread. I am only interested in bettering myself and listen to all opinions, but bickering helps no one.

dbaratta · #57 (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MCS

FBG this morning: 106, Its OK, but is a little high for me, still hoping things normalize.

6:30 am: 106, Took all my pills and followed that by drinking a large cup of coffee with 2 tbs of, yes real sugar, 25grams of the white stuff and whole milk. Breakfast was Flat bread toast, eggs, sausage.

1hr PP: 130
2hr PP: 110

I was a little hesitant trying real sugar, 25grams and the whole milk 4grams, and the flat bread 15grams, so 44grams of carbs. I think I got an insulin response, can't think of no other explanation for this response.
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This all looks good to me. Don't forget that the coffee, (caffeine) can make your BG rise. For me a cup of coffee with just cream, no food, my BG can go up as much as 150 points.

NewdestinyX · #58 (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 10:38 AM

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This all looks good to me. Don't forget that the coffee, (caffeine) can make your BG rise. For me a cup of coffee with just cream, no food, my BG can go up as much as 150 points.

How is this the case? Never read that anywhere. Coffee, alone, I thought, has no carbs. The cream has a little. My Bg level is untouched by simple coffee. Caffeine sends 'BP' higher but where can I read about caffeine/coffee having 'high glycemic' index?

Very surprised to hear that.

dbaratta · #59 (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by NewdestinyX

How is this the case? Never read that anywhere. Coffee, alone, I thought, has no carbs. The cream has a little. My Bg level is untouched by simple coffee. Caffeine sends 'BP' higher but where can I read about caffeine/coffee having 'high glycemic' index?

Very surprised to hear that.

Me too Grant, I read it in this forum and there seem to be plenty of people to back it up. Maybe do a search for it and see if you can find some old posts.

Another one that surprised me was the sugar free sweeteners, they too can aid in raising the BG. I think it has to do with liver dump, I don't remember.

dbaratta · #60 (**permalink**) 10-28-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NewdestinyX

How is this the case? Never read that anywhere. Coffee, alone, I thought, has no carbs. The cream has a little. My Bg level is untouched by simple coffee. Caffeine sends 'BP' higher but where can I read about caffeine/coffee having 'high glycemic' index?

Very surprised to hear that.

Here read this article about BG and caffeine

Diabetes Sufferers: Beware Of Caffeine - CBS News