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Old 10-30-2009, 08:59 AM
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Ok just to play with things a bit and the fact we had nothing to eat in the house this morning, I decided just to try the coffee and the sugar this AM, with no breakfast. So I am operating on an empty stomach. I will eat some nuts or jerky as soon as I see what my BG is going to do.

FBG 7:15, slept in: 101
8:00 AM, 115, nothing like a leaky liver
8:30 AM. drank coffee with 25 grams of sugar and real Half & Half
9:30 am: 150, this was to be expected
10:00 am, 1.5hrs PP of the coffee: 135, looking good
10:30 am, got busy didn't check
11:00 am, 102, so 2.5hr PP and a 102, This is kind of odd don't you think

Going to eat now
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Type 2, Normal would be nice, but I am not sure what normal is anymore

Bitter Melon, Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Pichnolate, Gymnema Sylvestre
Protien Hydrosylates, Amino Acids
Hi-Maize 260, Ground and Whole Flax Seed
COQ10, Celery Seed, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium
Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Fish Oil
Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
Hawthorne, Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, Biotin, ACAI Berry
Avoiding refined carbs
A1C 5.6,
I am the experimenting type, try, decide, move on.
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Old 11-02-2009, 07:47 AM
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FBG this morning 91, 106, 30 minutes later. Decided the coffee thing was not good for my heart, so I just drank a glass of water with 12.5grams of pure sugar. Proceeded to make breakfast. 1 egg, cheese, Arnolds flat bread toasted, Mayo. Now my recent history tells me this breakfast would not be enough to stop my DP problem. The theory here is to use the sugar as the off switch for my liver.

1hr PP: 150
1.5 PP: 130
2.0 PP: 115
2.5 PP: ??

So the coffee has its own effects as well on my BG level and insulin release.

I will know in 2 - 2.5 hrs if this worked. I am thinking tomorrow I will is use 6grams of sugar, so half the amount in plain water, see if that will work, and lower the spike to 135-140 range.

I will add, that I still have reminence left of the flu. I now have a dreadful sinus infection. From what I have noted they go hand in hand.
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Type 2, Normal would be nice, but I am not sure what normal is anymore

Bitter Melon, Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Pichnolate, Gymnema Sylvestre
Protien Hydrosylates, Amino Acids
Hi-Maize 260, Ground and Whole Flax Seed
COQ10, Celery Seed, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium
Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Fish Oil
Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
Hawthorne, Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, Biotin, ACAI Berry
Avoiding refined carbs
A1C 5.6,
I am the experimenting type, try, decide, move on.
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Old 11-02-2009, 07:50 AM
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I will add, that I still have reminence left of the flu. I now have a dreadful sinus infection. From what I have noted they go hand in hand.
Marty -- GO GET ANTIBIOTICS. Do not try to gut this one out -- I have spent two weeks sick with the sinusitis, and now the antibiotic is taking longer to work than I hoped ... I am 3 days into a 5-day script and am pretty sure I will need more or something different. Not something to mess around with. Flu virus knocks out all your cilia on your resp. epithelium and just makes it so hard to fight off bacteria -- ACK!
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Initial A1c Feb 6 09: 12%
Aug 24 A1c (MD office) 5.5%
Jul ... C-pep 1.3, GAD-65 > 30

metformin 1000 mg BID
Simvastatin 80 mg
Ramipril 5 mg
T4 125 mcg
baby aspirin
Vitamin D3, 2000 IU (blood values normal, advised to continue this dose by endo)
CoQ10 100 mg
Eating 70 - 90 g carb per day
Interval training on recumbent cycle
BMI is down to ca. 25.8



According to Joslin's Diabetes, 2005 ed., 5 - 30% of those diagnosed as Type 2 actually have LADA.
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Old 11-02-2009, 07:58 AM
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Started on the Septra last night 20 days post start of the flu, so its time.
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Type 2, Normal would be nice, but I am not sure what normal is anymore

Bitter Melon, Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Pichnolate, Gymnema Sylvestre
Protien Hydrosylates, Amino Acids
Hi-Maize 260, Ground and Whole Flax Seed
COQ10, Celery Seed, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium
Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Fish Oil
Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
Hawthorne, Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, Biotin, ACAI Berry
Avoiding refined carbs
A1C 5.6,
I am the experimenting type, try, decide, move on.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:06 AM
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Started on the Septra last night 20 days post start of the flu, so its time.
GOOD! hope it works!
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Initial A1c Feb 6 09: 12%
Aug 24 A1c (MD office) 5.5%
Jul ... C-pep 1.3, GAD-65 > 30

metformin 1000 mg BID
Simvastatin 80 mg
Ramipril 5 mg
T4 125 mcg
baby aspirin
Vitamin D3, 2000 IU (blood values normal, advised to continue this dose by endo)
CoQ10 100 mg
Eating 70 - 90 g carb per day
Interval training on recumbent cycle
BMI is down to ca. 25.8



According to Joslin's Diabetes, 2005 ed., 5 - 30% of those diagnosed as Type 2 actually have LADA.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:10 AM
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Wife has the same thing, took 3 days on the Septra, knocked hers out OK, everybodys different though
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Type 2, Normal would be nice, but I am not sure what normal is anymore

Bitter Melon, Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Pichnolate, Gymnema Sylvestre
Protien Hydrosylates, Amino Acids
Hi-Maize 260, Ground and Whole Flax Seed
COQ10, Celery Seed, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium
Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Fish Oil
Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
Hawthorne, Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, Biotin, ACAI Berry
Avoiding refined carbs
A1C 5.6,
I am the experimenting type, try, decide, move on.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:26 AM
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Wife has the same thing, took 3 days on the Septra, knocked hers out OK, everybodys different though
Septra, huh. I got Levoquin and so far ... NADA!
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Initial A1c Feb 6 09: 12%
Aug 24 A1c (MD office) 5.5%
Jul ... C-pep 1.3, GAD-65 > 30

metformin 1000 mg BID
Simvastatin 80 mg
Ramipril 5 mg
T4 125 mcg
baby aspirin
Vitamin D3, 2000 IU (blood values normal, advised to continue this dose by endo)
CoQ10 100 mg
Eating 70 - 90 g carb per day
Interval training on recumbent cycle
BMI is down to ca. 25.8



According to Joslin's Diabetes, 2005 ed., 5 - 30% of those diagnosed as Type 2 actually have LADA.
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Old 11-02-2009, 09:11 AM
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FBG this morning 91, 106, 30 minutes later. Decided the coffee thing was not good for my heart, so I just drank a glass of water with 12.5grams of pure sugar. Proceeded to make breakfast. 1 egg, cheese, Arnolds flat bread toasted, Mayo. Now my recent history tells me this breakfast would not be enough to stop my DP problem. The theory here is to use the sugar as the off switch for my liver.

1hr PP: 150
1.5 PP: 130
2.0 PP: 115
3.0 PP: 105

A little bit slow to recover, so indeed I will decrease the the sugar to 6 grams and see if that does it.
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Type 2, Normal would be nice, but I am not sure what normal is anymore

Bitter Melon, Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Pichnolate, Gymnema Sylvestre
Protien Hydrosylates, Amino Acids
Hi-Maize 260, Ground and Whole Flax Seed
COQ10, Celery Seed, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium
Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Fish Oil
Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
Hawthorne, Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, Biotin, ACAI Berry
Avoiding refined carbs
A1C 5.6,
I am the experimenting type, try, decide, move on.
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Old 11-03-2009, 06:37 AM
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This morning tried the 6 grams of sugar instead of the 12.5, so 1/2 tablespoonful.

7:00am FBG: woke up, slept in, what ever, 108
Took the 1/2 tbls of sugar and proceeded to fix my cup of pills for the morning.

7:30 am: 119, hard to tell at this point if this is the sugar or the DP thingy. Ate Breakfast, 2 eggs, flat bread, cheese

8:00 am, 1 hr PP of the sugar: 127
8:30 am, 1 hr PP breakfast: 140, hope this is the peak
9:00: ??
9:30: ??
10:00: ??

So I need to wait and see whats going to happen.
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Type 2, Normal would be nice, but I am not sure what normal is anymore

Bitter Melon, Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Pichnolate, Gymnema Sylvestre
Protien Hydrosylates, Amino Acids
Hi-Maize 260, Ground and Whole Flax Seed
COQ10, Celery Seed, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium
Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Fish Oil
Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
Hawthorne, Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, Biotin, ACAI Berry
Avoiding refined carbs
A1C 5.6,
I am the experimenting type, try, decide, move on.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:00 AM
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9:00: 135
9:30: 115
10:00: 108

Now if I continue to drop and go below 100 before lunch, yea.

Still had a delay to recover.
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Type 2, Normal would be nice, but I am not sure what normal is anymore

Bitter Melon, Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Pichnolate, Gymnema Sylvestre
Protien Hydrosylates, Amino Acids
Hi-Maize 260, Ground and Whole Flax Seed
COQ10, Celery Seed, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium
Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Fish Oil
Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
Hawthorne, Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, Biotin, ACAI Berry
Avoiding refined carbs
A1C 5.6,
I am the experimenting type, try, decide, move on.
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Old 11-03-2009, 10:03 AM
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I'm like Art - I'm already high when I waken. ...Today I was awake at quarter to five, tested at 95, ate a slim jim (I keep those on the nightstand), went back to sleep & managed to dodge the bullet - was only 101 when I wakened 4 hours later. ..
Granny

I'm going to try your technique. I used to love slim jims, and I'm frustrated waking above 100

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Old 11-04-2009, 08:58 AM
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Did not do the sugar thing this morning, broke down and went to Shoneys, yea. Shoneys works for me.

FBG 96

Breakfast, eggs, mushrooms, bacon, hash browns

1Hr PP: 120
2hr pp: 89

Nothing like a huge breakfast to shut my liver down.
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Type 2, Normal would be nice, but I am not sure what normal is anymore

Bitter Melon, Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Pichnolate, Gymnema Sylvestre
Protien Hydrosylates, Amino Acids
Hi-Maize 260, Ground and Whole Flax Seed
COQ10, Celery Seed, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium
Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Fish Oil
Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
Hawthorne, Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, Biotin, ACAI Berry
Avoiding refined carbs
A1C 5.6,
I am the experimenting type, try, decide, move on.
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Old 11-06-2009, 10:59 AM
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Kind of giving up the sugar in the morning thing. It works for me, but somehow, in the back of my mind, it can't be healthy for a D to be eating sugar in the morning. I will save that weapon against D for some other time.

I have resolved to the fact that I will have to eat some potatoes inthe morning, could be worse things I guess. So I bought a bag of small red potatoes, boiled them for a while and placed them in the fridge. 1-2 small potatoes mixed in with my eggs seems to be all it takes.

I will still probably investigate other forms of food to get the response I want.
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Type 2, Normal would be nice, but I am not sure what normal is anymore

Bitter Melon, Vanadyl Sulfate
Chromium Pichnolate, Gymnema Sylvestre
Protien Hydrosylates, Amino Acids
Hi-Maize 260, Ground and Whole Flax Seed
COQ10, Celery Seed, Magnesium, Potassium, Calcium
Zinc, Selenium, Vitamin E, Fish Oil
Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
Hawthorne, Vitamin D
Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, Biotin, ACAI Berry
Avoiding refined carbs
A1C 5.6,
I am the experimenting type, try, decide, move on.
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:32 AM
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Kind of giving up the sugar in the morning thing. It works for me, but somehow, in the back of my mind, it can't be healthy for a D to be eating sugar in the morning. I will save that weapon against D for some other time.

I have resolved to the fact that I will have to eat some potatoes in the morning, could be worse things I guess. So I bought a bag of small red potatoes, boiled them for a while and placed them in the fridge. 1-2 small potatoes mixed in with my eggs seems to be all it takes.

I will still probably investigate other forms of food to get the response I want.
I couldn't agree more, MCS. My experience is the same -- I need to add 'some carb' to get a response from my pancreas. For me --potatoes, fried or made with lots of butter like mashed give me only a small bump in my sugar because it has the 2ndary effect of kicking my pancreas into gear. Raisins do the same thing.. Grain products OF ANY kind and BANANAS on the other hand send my SKY HIGH and thwart any potential help the pancreas could offer. You should be coming out of this sickness period for good soon and then you can see where things really are and if the Vanadyl sulfate is wearing off... which i think was the big reason for that amazing period you had before you got sick.

As to the nuclear stress test.. I think you need to go for it, Marty. You seem to have some 'heart related' stress issues. The B12 has helped it seems but likely not enough.. Even if you end up needing a stint put in -- imagine the benefit to your T2 when you can exercise more vigorously, etc.., etc..

I think you (we all) are so focussed on our T2 that we forget about other systems of the body -- often wrongly assuming that the kind of work we do to control BG level will 'automatically' help other body systems. Some of that is true I'm pretty sure -- but it's not universally true. I think eating too much polyunsaturated fat, for example, complicates thing even if it slows down digestion and avoids a rise in BG.. So time will tell. You could just have some bad heart genetics too. That's always the kicker -- our genes...
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Type 2 - Dx 7/15/09 - A1c 10.6 ; 10/26/09 - A1c 7.2
Meds: Metformin XR 500mg-2/day(since 7/15/09), Lantus 24 units 1/day(since 10/14/09),
Nexium 40mg-2/day(since 1/1/08), Diet: <10g sugar/80-100g carb/<1800 calories
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Old 11-06-2009, 11:37 AM
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Did not do the sugar thing this morning, broke down and went to Shoneys, yea. Shoneys works for me.

FBG 96

Breakfast, eggs, mushrooms, bacon, hash browns

1Hr PP: 120
2hr pp: 89

Nothing like a huge breakfast to shut my liver down.
You know, MCS, and this is whole can of worms.. But I'm starting to lose faith in my ReliOn Meter in the lower registers.. This morning my ReliOn had my FBG at 98 and my Freedom Lite had it at 122. Tested twice. 102 and 121 -- same drop of blood each time. I think I'm going to have to test a 3rd meter to see which one's more real.. In the mid range 120-160 both meters track pretty close.. But the ReliOn seems too forgiving in the lower register and consistently gives me numbers that are WELL below the Freedom Lite.. I don't like that discrepancy. If my number was really right this AM on the ReliOn then my Lantus is the right dose. If the Freedom Lite number is correct than my dose is still too low... Ugggh...
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Type 2 - Dx 7/15/09 - A1c 10.6 ; 10/26/09 - A1c 7.2
Meds: Metformin XR 500mg-2/day(since 7/15/09), Lantus 24 units 1/day(since 10/14/09),
Nexium 40mg-2/day(since 1/1/08), Diet: <10g sugar/80-100g carb/<1800 calories
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