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Old 10-07-2009, 01:44 PM
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Just a thinking here

Something that just came to mind. I had the DP problem pretty bad and I have noticed others are having the same problem. I would wake up at an OK BG, but would soon start to climb well into the high 130's and even 140 at times, just breathing air or eating a small no carb breakfast. It took me having to eat a very large meal so that my stomach could send a signal to my liver to shut the glucose valve off.

I do not seem to have the DP problem anymore. But the thought came to me, what would happen if you would drink a large glass of warm to hot water with say a small amount of chicken broth or beef broth in the morning before your BG begins to rise. Just enough broth in a full glass of warm water to fool your stomach into thinking it had something and then sending its signal to your liver to shut down. This might work even at night before bed.

What do you think?
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Old 10-07-2009, 01:50 PM
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So far nothing has worked for me.
Before bed snacks
Taking my Janumet just before going to sleep
Not eating a thing after dinner.


It's not something that happens AFTER I wake up.

I'm high on getting up.

This morning 148

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Old 10-07-2009, 01:56 PM
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My problem was, I would wake up at 95 and soon go to 135 with in 30-60 minutes. 6:30 am 95, 7:30am, before I ate breakfast 135. The thought was, what would happen if you drank the warm water with the broth in it, would it shut your liver down, I don't know.
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Old 10-07-2009, 01:59 PM
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Not sure if this would work before bed. I think I will get some low sodium chicken broth to wash down my whole flax seeds before bed and see what happens.


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So far nothing has worked for me.
Before bed snacks
Taking my Janumet just before going to sleep
Not eating a thing after dinner.


It's not something that happens AFTER I wake up.

I'm high on getting up.

This morning 148

Art
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Vitamins Bx, C, Ginkgo
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:12 PM
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I'm like Art - I'm already high when I waken. I think mine must hit about 5 a.m. Today I was awake at quarter to five, tested at 95, ate a slim jim (I keep those on the nightstand), went back to sleep & managed to dodge the bullet - was only 101 when I wakened 4 hours later.

But waking halfway through a night's sleep to take two bites of beef stick is NOT my idea of a solution! I don't usually waken during the night, so I don't want it to become a habit if I can help it. Will have to ponder the trade-off here, won't I? Sleep 8 hours straight & have DP. aarrgghh . . .
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:51 AM
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Looking a little further into it:

If your body is reacting to a rise in cortisol levels in the morning here is a list of foods to help lower cortisol levels:

Lean Meat, Chicken, Turkey:
Because meat is low in sugar and high in protein and vitamin B12, it can greatly reduce cortisol in the body.

Eggs are a low-glycemic index food that lower Cortisol. They are also high in omega fatty acids, which can have stress-relieving properties.

Oily Fish
Oily fish, such as snapper and salmon, lower cortisol levels and are also high in protein and omega fatty acids.

Berries
Berries have high levels of vitamin C, which fights against cortisol buildup in the body.

Thinking as I go:
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Old 10-08-2009, 12:37 PM
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I told my doctor about the flax seed, he laughed his *** off.

He was unaware of people getting up at 3am to eat cheese. or suck down vinegar before bed etc....

He hasn't met people like us.

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Old 10-08-2009, 12:45 PM
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It is kind of funny, if you don't have the problem. I bet he would be sucking down flax seeds if he thought it would help him, if he had DP
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Old 10-08-2009, 12:46 PM
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IF I ate meat ... trying to imagine the swarm of cats on my night stand, if I kept slim jims there!

I may try the flax seed (are these the whole ones, right?) sometime ...

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Old 10-08-2009, 12:50 PM
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They are the whole flax seeds, but I am also thinking after reading some more, that a hard boiled egg may do the job just as well before bed. It adds calories and all though.
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Old 10-09-2009, 12:46 PM
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Doctors can be so stupid. My doc never heard of BG rising after exercise. He claims that most of what he does is take care of diabetic patients, I told him he is scary. Flax seed is supposed to be great, it is fiber and we are supposed to be on a high fiber diet, so what is so funny...ugh....doctors!
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:00 PM
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IF I ate meat ... trying to imagine the swarm of cats on my night stand, if I kept slim jims there!
Hmmm . . . they're individually sealed, of course, but I'd think a super-sensitive nose would notice. Maybe Waylon's just too fascinated with my CPAP mask to bother with the treats!
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Sounds like you are rebounding. I try to eat something first thing when I get up so.
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:03 PM
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Ok my lovely late morning DP problem is back, could be the flu like icky thing I got, no matter its back. 90 FBG, 45 minutes later I am at 140, nothing to eat yet, just drinking coffee, no sugar, a little half and half. This sucks, had this problem in the past, the past is now the present now I guess.

So if there are others out there like me, late DP problem, what I am going to try tomorrow morning is as soon as I wake up I am going to drink a very warm to hot glass of water with a little bit of Bloody Mary mix that was left over from last weekend. The mix is low carb, no sugar. Couldn't find any low sodium chicken broth crystals so this is going to have work in its place.

My thinking here is that if I send a strong enough signal to my stomach, that it may in turn shut my liver down from leaking so much unwanted, undesired, darn glucose into my blood stream.

By the way, I had a piece of flat bread toast thinking that was going to do it, 1hr PP: 170, DA__ @#$%^, I guess that didn't work, 2 Hr PP: 105, finally pancreas decided to join in my AM fun. Usual breakfast of eggs, bacon, hash browns, would have shut my liver down, but was on a tight schedule this morning. I got a small window of opportunity in the morning from when I wake up and when I eat, I am not by any means a morning person, this much planning in the morning really is ridiculous. Welcome to D, and all of its funny little things you have to do to maintain.
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Old 10-21-2009, 01:15 PM
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I think you have a tiger by the tail with that cussed flu bug! Criminy! Hang in there!
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