[JediSkipdogg]

Originally Posted by duck

Hey Jedi,

I checked into it, and R can be used in a pump, it's just that 'best practices' recommend Novolog (and now Humalog as well) since they are faster and linger less than R.

That does make sense though since Humalog is only about 5 years old and pumps are about 10-15 years old. I've just been taught that Humalog and Novolog are the only two to be used in pumps. The problem with using R in it is a huge delay in attempting to fine tune basal rates.

[Cyborg]

Originally Posted by DeusXM

The munchies are just hypoglycaemia.

And faeries wear boots...

[Will]

Originally Posted by DeusXM

The munchies are just hypoglycaemia.

Thats not true, I can clearly tell the difference between being hungry and my BG being low. I am sure you have had a low when you were not hungry.

[DonnieD]

Hi Will,

You are a well-spoken and intellegent adult. I support any efforts that you make in finding an optimal treatment for yourself. There are many people using marijuana for medical purposes, despite the hypocracy of it's illegality. They are treating themselves quitely, courageously, and at some risk of incarceration and employment opportunities.

Your primary responsibility is to yourself. This is a battle worth fighting, IMO. You should try to find an MD with an open mind that would be willing to help you. Good luck.

DonnieD

[Will]

Originally Posted by duck

Hey Jedi,

I checked into it, and R can be used in a pump, it's just that 'best practices' recommend Novolog (and now Humalog as well) since they are faster and linger less than R.

Will, besides what has been suggested, something else you may want to check into is getting on any of the Constant Glucose Monitors that are available/coming available. MiniMed has their CGMS, jen_slc has just completed a run with Dexcom. My thinking is getting the feedback from one of these things may allow some additional insight into what is going on "behind the scenes."

I've had that feeling of being low when I am not, and not being able to concentrate. A very annoying situation to say the least. Something else to keep in mind: someone here on this forum once said that they could literally make themselves go low by "concentrating" too hard...ie, the brain uses glucose as its only fuel, and by thinking hard enough, they were using up their glucose stores. My theory with you is that there is some kind of disconnect between your actual bloodsugar levels and what your brain thinks there are, and your brain is then requesting more fuel, whether or not it needs it. Now, how to prove/disprove that, I have no earthly idea.

I have been looking into the constant monitors, it is something I certianly plan on.

I also feel that thinking and concentration make my BG drop, and I know that excessive heat or cold make it drop quite a bit. I have read that the brain consumes something like 40% of all the glucose we produce, its a rather gluttonous organ.

You know, your "theory" really makes quite a bit of sense. I know that I always feel the worst in the morning. I always feel kind of low when I wake up, and that feeling can linger all day. I usually always feel more alive and more clear-headed in the evening, but its never exactly the same.

Thanks for getting me to think deeper into this.

[2sweet4now]

Will, I get what you're saying - however, I must agree with Jedi.

I know way too many people hooked on alcohol, drugs (including pot), or both. I was married briefly to one, and am a close relative to others. Few have escaped unscathed, most have not. Oh yes, some were funny under the influence - most were not...all apologized for their behavior after the fact.

Personally, I believe that anything that "clouds" ones mind is something to stay far away from. I didn't always feel this way. I too had my occassional moments of mind clouding. In college, I was very much a free spirit - do what you want, just don't try to push your stuff on me. Of course, that was before I saw very intellegent people crashing all around me from seemingly harmless behavior.

You mentioned how with diabetes it is even harder to reach ones highest potential. This is true for many individuals, not just diabetics - we all have our burdens to bear, some public, some private. The grass isn't always greener.

It stinks having diabetes and all that comes along with it. Is this condition of our lives going to change? In my case, only by a miracle. Maybe there will be a cure one day - but in my lifetime, who knows? My point, even though I'm not surrendering to the disease - I do choose to accept my situation. Don't get me wrong, took me a long time to get here, years. The outcome is an abundant life, not one sucked dry by the disease.

By the way, I am one of those individuals who did very well in college regardless of the diabetes! ...just had to work my butt off, would it have been any different without the diabetes?! I don't think so.

Just my thoughts...

[DeusXM]

I am sure you have had a low when you were not hungry.

No, never. Being hungry is my #1 warning sign. Perhaps you meant I've been hungry without being low, which has certainly happened. However, I was always under the impression that sudden rapid hunger onset from smoking cannabis was caused by the drop in blood sugar from the hypoglycaemic and hypotensive effect of cannabis.

[Tim_Roy]

Originally Posted by JediSkipdogg

That does make sense though since Humalog is only about 5 years old and pumps are about 10-15 years old.

Then how'd I get one of my own back in 1981? They're 25 years old. Older if you consider the really primitive brick-like ones that preceeded the AS*6C. That was the first one available for consumer use, I believe. And then there's the first pump, which was like a backpack with a car battery inside.

[JediSkipdogg]

Originally Posted by Tim_Roy

Then how'd I get one of my own back in 1981? They're 25 years old. Older if you consider the really primitive brick-like ones that preceeded the AS*6C. That was the first one available for consumer use, I believe. And then there's the first pump, which was like a backpack with a car battery inside.

Depends on what you consider available. BG meters came out in the late 70s, however, didn't really strike the home market till the early 90s. It all depends on how you look at time. Heck, we could say CGMS was out in 1999 then as I know people that were using it back then as a permanent basis through their doctor's office.

The following chart shows pump user estimates since 1990...



I don't really consider 6600 pump users alot. Now days it takes 6000+ people in a clinical trial to pass the FDA review board.

[Dewey]

Originally Posted by JediSkipdogg

That does make sense though since Humalog is only about 5 years old and pumps are about 10-15 years old.

Humalog's been out since about August of 1996!! I was put on it then (for pump use). It has only been approved by the FDA for use in insulin pumps more recently.

Originally Posted by Wil

1) You are wrong here; it is legal for medical use in Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

Actually, it's medically legal in Florida as well. I had a friend in FL who had bone cancer (he was in our high school), who had a card that showed he was allowed to have some on him at all times.

I also agree with ticklebug. She has made many good points here. The world is indeed getting too much into people's personal business, and personally, I still think alcohol and some of the chemical drugs (i.e. Oxy & Morphine, for example) the FDA has approved are far worse than pot!

I've tried pot before - a few times, in fact - but it's never done a thing to me. I personally don't use it, but am not at all against it. If people would like to take a walk through history, things such as pot were used for specific medical conditions, before they had all these fancy chemical drugs (many of which cause adverse side effects....).

[Carwy]

Most of the things that are called drugs today are because of the white man and his inability to use them right. Things like peyote, mushrooms and other herbs where used by Native Americans for ceremonial purposes and medical needs. Of course with the arrival of the white man and his Christian ways the Native Americans where considered barbaric and uncivilized. We are talking about a people who lived in harmony with nature and of course the white man could not have something like that going on. How did they fix a problem that did not exist? They tried to wipe the Native Americans out and ban all of their beliefs.

[2bsugarfree]

makes me sad when i learn that young people also suffer from diabetes.i always thought it was something that occured in middle or old age

[Will]

Originally Posted by 2bsugarfree

makes me sad when i learn that young people also suffer from diabetes.i always thought it was something that occured in middle or old age

Type 1 and 2 are completely different.

I can still remember the last thing I ate before I was diagnosed, it was half a Key-Lime Pie! I sat on the floor with a little girl and we ate the whole thing, hehe. That was 14 years ago.

[BriOnH]

Originally Posted by DeusXM

However, I was always under the impression that sudden rapid hunger onset from smoking cannabis was caused by the drop in blood sugar from the hypoglycaemic and hypotensive effect of cannabis.

I get the munchies when I smoke and am fine, bg wise. I have also tested 2 of my friends sugars while we all had the munchies and one was 95, and the other was 166 (I was surprised he was so high, but he did have a coke about 20 minutes prior, still I found that odd). They were freaking out about the finger stick, but I guilt tripped them into doing it(hehe), saying I have to do it 8 times a day and they can't do it once? The guy that was 166 took 4 pricks, he actually handled just like I do, like it is nothing. I am glad actual scientific studies are going on with it so we can find out in bigger populations how it works. Without a doubt it raises heart rate and blood pressure. Also tested that on me and my 2 good friends.

Will - When I am dropping (in bg) and smoke I notice it a LOT more. It rather freaks me out. Seems how ever I am feeling weed just amplidies it.

I would never reccommend to anyone to try or start smoking. I also do not believe there is any medical benefit to it what so ever, but if cancer patients say it helps, I wouldn't argue that and conceed.

[sbuff28@charter]

OK i read this thread until i got to the gateway drug part. Whoever thinks marijuana is a gateway drug is totally wrong. Yes 95% of harder drug users started with marijuana, but that doesn't really mean anything becuase Correlation and Causation are not the same thing. You cant just say one equals the other, because marijuana is 10 times easier to find than any harder drugs, and much more "respectable" within the "drug user community". People that use hard drugs are more likely to use marijuana, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. you can't just switch the statement and make it be true.




This arguement is also used with marijuana that kinda explains my point.


People who use cannabis (A) have a higher risk of developing schizophrenia (B).

This correlation is sometimes used as a proof that use of cannabis causes schizophrenia ((1), A causes B). This may of course very well be correct. However, it can also be claimed that (disposition of) schizophrenia causes use of cannabis ((2), B causes A). One may also argue that both of these are correct, ((3), A causes B and B causes A). Also, the correlation may somehow be coincidental (4). Which of these is correct can be decided through for example biochemical mechanisms, common sense or other investigations, but a causation arrow doesn't follow directly from the correlation. Concluding that any of (1)-(4) is correct from the observed correlation only is thus a logical fallacy. It may, however, be claimed that any of the causal relationships (1)-(3) have increased probability solely because of the correlation.