[anmi]

Hy again.

I am a little confused regarding this problem.
Don't understand me wrong... I mean I understand that I am not allowed to eat sweets or sugar than I ate before but still I want to know why it is totally forbidden to eat any sweets or things that contain sugar?

My point is that, for example at lunch I have to eat 60hc and I want to eat 30 from food (with slow processing, like bread or potatoes or rise etc.) and 30 from something sweet ... 100g of chocolate contains 60 HC so I could eat 50g, no?... Is it because the sugar in the blood will raise too quickly... or is another cause?

I am not a greedy person and I am not thinking all the time about eating chocolate or cakes (actually, even before discovering diabetes I was not a very sweets eater) but I want to know if it is so wrong to do that. Indeed, there are times when I do want to eat a cake or drink a glass of coke or icecream or whatevere else... but I do not do it.

So, why is the sugar totlly forbidden?

[camjen1]

Sugar is forbidden? News to me!

Sugar and carbs will never be banned from my household.

I have to say that if you want to eat it you will have to use more insulin. I don't stick to guidelines because I'm fortunate to have a fast acting insulin that will allow me to eat what I may in moderation of course.

[sofaraway]

for me sugar isn't forbidden, moderation is the key. i still like to have some chocolate- thats my major weakness.

you're right sugary things will raise your blood sugar more quickly.

Are you on a basal bolus regime? can you adjust your insulin to the carbs you are eating? from your post doesn't sound like you are as you have to eat a specific amount at meals.

if you could match your insulin to what you eat then you would have more flexibility and be able to incorporate some sweet treats into your diet.

[duck]

You have a disease that directly affects carbohydrate metabolism...therefore it can be argued that any carbohydrates you consume are not "helping". There are entire treatment modalities available today that are based on elminating as much carbohydrate as possible from the diet, and some are actually modestly successful.

Of course, for a normal person who does not have a disease that affects carb metabolism, eating "sugar" is no big deal assuming they are not exceeding their energy needs with other foods as well. And if you take that thinking one step further, a diabetic who is on insulin and who knows how to carb-count should be able to eat any carb ("sugar" or otherwise) with some assurance that it is "safe".

The problem with "candy" as opposed to potatoes or corn, etc., is that there is no nutritional value in it. Empty calories. No vitamins, minerals, fiber, protein or other nutrients of any value. So for a diabetic, a person with a metabolic issue with carbohydrates, when they consume candies and "sugar", they are suffering a double-whammy of sorts: a blood sugar rise for no return. Except maybe making your mouth feel good (which I would say is okay occasionally).

[anmi]

Originally Posted by sofaraway

Are you on a basal bolus regime? can you adjust your insulin to the carbs you are eating? from your post doesn't sound like you are as you have to eat a specific amount at meals.

Yes, I am a basal bolus and I think I learned how to moderate and adjust insuline.

I was discovered 2 month ago so probably, the doctor told me that is totally forbidden in order not to exaggerate with the sweets and maybe because he thought that I am not able to deal with them - food and insuline. I remember we were talking (me and the doctor) about coke (this is something that I really used to drink) and she told me that I am not allowed more than 100ml per day ... so

Anyway, since I got out of hospital my values where between 80 and 150 ... some hipos and I reduced the insuline.

I take 4 shots, 3 for meals and 1 for the night. When I got out of hospital I was on 16/12/10/16 - now 5/5/5/10 plus or minus 2 units.

So it is ok to eat from time to time something sweet? This is a very good news

[anmi]

In my previous message I forgot to add that the doctor was talking about 100 ml of light coke per day ... not the good one.

[spike]

Originally Posted by anmi

In my previous message I forgot to add that the doctor was talking about 100 ml of light coke per day ... not the good one.

Coke Zero is pretty good for a diet soda. Ever try it?

[June91]

Is Coke Zero actually Coke Light by another name? If not, we don't have it in this part of the world.

[corwin]

Originally Posted by anmi

So it is ok to eat from time to time something sweet? This is a very good news

The key is to figure out how things effect you personally. You are very newly diagnosed so your doctor is probably trying to be careful, but as you gain more experience you will start to experiment and see how different things effect your bg, then you will know how to bolus for what you eat and you'll be able to eat many things that are now considered "forbidden". Chocolate has fat in it, so the carbs won't cause your bg to be spike so high. If you'll exchange 50 grams of meal carbs with 50 grams of chocolate for dessert I doubt you'll see a big difference in your bg level. However drinking regular coke on an empty stomech will cause your bg to raise very high very quickly, this isn't advisable. Just give it time and do your research, you'll learn how to deal with this condition much better as you gain experience.

[spike]

Originally Posted by June91

Is Coke Zero actually Coke Light by another name? If not, we don't have it in this part of the world.

Not that I'm aware of. they make more than one diet coke.
check this link - http://www.coca-cola.com/
I can't link to the 'brand list' on their site because it comes up in a window with no URL.

[rzrbks]

I take 4 shots, 3 for meals and 1 for the night. When I got out of hospital I was on 16/12/10/16 - now 5/5/5/10 plus or minus 2 units.

They should teach you to start counting carbs. When the Dr. truts you to count carbs, then anything you want will be allowable.

You'll just have to learn how foods effect your B/G and inject the correct amount of insulin to cover what you eat or drink.

I even allow myself Raspberry tea once in a while.

[gettingby]

When I was diagnosed back in 1984, I was told that sweets would always be a no-no. It wasn't until a few years ago when I started on MDI (Humalog/Lantus) that my CDE actually told me it was ok. I went from the age of 13 until my late 20's thinking I would never be allowed sweets unless I was hypo. I love that CDE for showing me the light. He actually laughed when he asked if I gave myself a treat for good results/birthday, etc. I told him "No, I was told those were never to be again". He got a good laugh about that and then set me straight on doing it within moderation.

[am1977]

I've been to Europe and I think Coke Light is supposed to be the equivelent of diet Coke... though I think it tastes a little different

[Brenda A]

I eat sweets with sugar. I have to count the carbs and everything in them and fit them in. For example if I were to eat a choc cupcake with the white squiggle of frosting acrosss the top, I would have to consider that it is a serving of carb, a fat, and a fruit, or 2 carbs and a fat. I use the old fashion exchange system as it is easy for me to eat knowing the values of things. At any rate I would have to work those 2 carbs into my meal, and not have but one other carb with my meal. I would have my meat, maybe double my green veggie, and no bread, watch the fat in that meal because I would be having that cup cake. I don't have any problem with the sweets. I simply do portion control and adjust my other meal content so the carbs don't over power they fit in. I love the old exchange system, it is easy and it goes anywhere even eating out you are in control, because you know the value of what you are puting in your mouth. Balance and portion control is the key to control of sugars. I eat anything I want within reason, as long as it is 90 to 99 carbs a day, usually 30 a meal. If I eat a candy product I eat it with a protein to match the carbs in it, and only a small amount to keep my carbs in range. It is really about reading labels and watching carbs. My endo says the sugar is better for you than the subs sometimes.

[sofaraway]

In England, there is Diet Coke and just recently Coke Zero has been introduced. which is apparently marketed at men.