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Perhaps more important than FBG ,and a better indicator for HbA1c.

 

For me this morning FBG was 90 mg/dl, 2 hours after breakfast 97 mg/dl and after 3 hours 95 mg/dl.

 

Macro nutrients were, 2.9 carbohydrates, 37 protein and 59 oils/fats.

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Perhaps more important than FBG ,and a better indicator for HbA1c.

 

For me this morning FBG was 90 mg/dl, 2 hours after breakfast 97 mg/dl and after 3 hours 95 mg/dl.

 

Macro nutrients were, 2.9 carbohydrates, 37 protein and 59 oils/fats.

Orlando, thank you so much for doing this.  Postprandial has been on my mind ever since you first brought it up to me the other day.  How long did you wait to have breakfast after the FBG reading?  Sometimes I don't eat my first meal until maybe 4-5 hours after FBG.

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Orlando, thank you so much for doing this.  Postprandial has been on my mind ever since you first brought it up to me the other day.  How long did you wait to have breakfast after the FBG reading?  Sometimes I don't eat my first meal until maybe 4-5 hours after FBG.

 

Wow, I couldnt do that. I wake up and head straight for the kitchen, measure BP,ankle oedema, weight etc and then prepare my pre planned meal.So the answer to your question is about 20 mins after measuring FBG. I get up pretty early, 03:30  to 0;400. I eat 2 meals a day and then a ca 15-16 hour fasting gap till the next meal.

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1:23 a.m. FBG 113 mg/dl

4:39 a.m. ate 1st meal

6:45 a.m. 2-hrs after 1st meal 99 mg/dl

7:44 a.m. 3-hrs after 1st meal 105 mg/dl

 

Calories 406. Carbs 12g. Protein 24g. Fat 39g

 

I dropped the avocado from my morning meal today and I was able to eat everything without a struggle. Avocado is filling to me.

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Here are the results for my last meal of the day ie lunch ie mid day meal.

 

Before first bite  90 mg/dl

2 hours later..    100 mg/dl

3 hours later..    105 mg/dl

5 hours later..     99 mg/dl

 

7.6 grams carbs, 38 grams protein and 103 fat.

 

Next test, before bed as comparison with next days FBG. 

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Here are the results for my last meal of the day ie lunch ie mid day meal.

 

Before first bite  90 mg/dl

2 hours later..    100 mg/dl

3 hours later..    105 mg/dl

5 hours later..     99 mg/dl

 

7.6 grams carbs, 38 grams protein and 103 fat.

 

Next test, before bed as comparison with next days FBG. 

Excellent scores, Orlando. It's amazing how few carbs you eat.  Humph!  Okay, test before bed to compare with morning FBG.  Got'cha.  I'll do that, too, tonight.  I haven't figured out the macro nutrients for today's mid meal & snack.  My mid meal was before noon.  :)

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Orlando, thank you so much for doing this.  Postprandial has been on my mind ever since you first brought it up to me the other day.  How long did you wait to have breakfast after the FBG reading?  Sometimes I don't eat my first meal until maybe 4-5 hours after FBG.

 

With that large of a gap between your morning reading and eating breakfast, I would take a separate before breakfast reading so your comparison with post is more accurate.

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With that large of a gap between your morning reading and eating breakfast, I would take a separate before breakfast reading so your comparison with post is more accurate.

O-kay.  I can do that. Or better yet, I'll try to eat within the first hour after FBG.  I took the morning FBG not too long after I got up.

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This is going to be a little wacky.

Tested 2-hours after mid meal and 1-hour after mid snack 112 mg/dl

Combined macros:

736 calories.  57 Carbs.  14 protein.  56.5 fat

 

What does this tell me?  1-cup Jicama slices = 27 carbs.  3 protein.  3 fat.  I ate this with a mixture of chopped black olives, cream cheese, and 2-tbs chopped onion which raised the total carbs to 31 g.

 

Total macros for the whole day.  69 carbs.  38 protein.  95.5 fat.  Not bad. 

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This morning FBG was 78 mg/dl, 3 hours after breakfast was 100mg/dl. A spike of 22 mg/dl.

 

Macro nutrients were, 2.9 carbohydrates, 37 protein and 59 oils/fats  ie exactly the same breakfast as yesterday.

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This morning FBG was 78 mg/dl, 3 hours after breakfast was 100mg/dl. A spike of 22 mg/dl.

 

Macro nutrients were, 2.9 carbohydrates, 37 protein and 59 oils/fats  ie exactly the same breakfast as yesterday.

So are you saying this is what you meant by a meter having its own mind, per sec, with variance (-/+) in readings?  Yesterday Mike tested with two different meters and came up with completely different mg/dl scores.

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Mon. March 20 bedtime score: 102 mg/dl

 

Tues. March 21 FBG 107 mg/dl

2-hours after 1st meal 120 mg/dl

3-hours after 1st meal 107 mg/dl

 

Same breakfast as yesterday:

406 cal. 12 carbs. 24 protein. 39 fat.

 

I ate 1st meal 1-hour after testing FBG

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Today out shopping for supplies, at lunch did not measure before first bite. Five hours later BG was 95 mg/dl, about par for the course.Food was a big slice of brie [156 grams]+ 56 grams total of nuts, macadamia and pecans + a liberal swig of olive oil ca 35 grams. Just food on the go, to avoid temptation.

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Today out shopping for supplies, at lunch did not measure before first bite. Five hours later BG was 95 mg/dl, about par for the course.Food was a big slice of brie [156 grams]+ 56 grams total of nuts, macadamia and pecans + a liberal swig of olive oil ca 35 grams. Just food on the go, to avoid temptation.

I just checked the macronutrients on these foods and I am so amazed at the fat content, I can hardly speak.  But I trust you know what you are doing.     

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So are you saying this is what you meant by a meter having its own mind, per sec, with variance (-/+) in readings?  Yesterday Mike tested with two different meters and came up with completely different mg/dl scores.

 

The body is also variable, especially in the mornings for me as my insulin resistance seems highest then.

 

For example, one morning I started at 81.  2 hours after meal (egg salad on celery) I was 102.

A few days previously I started at 91.  Ate the exact same meal and 2 hours later I was at 99.

The previous week with again the same meal started at 79 and 2 hours later 86.

 

Have the exact same thing for dinner and I would consistently end up either at the same level or even a little lower.

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The body is also variable, especially in the mornings for me as my insulin resistance seems highest then.

 

For example, one morning I started at 81.  2 hours after meal (egg salad on celery) I was 102.

A few days previously I started at 91.  Ate the exact same meal and 2 hours later I was at 99.

The previous week with again the same meal started at 79 and 2 hours later 86.

 

Have the exact same thing for dinner and I would consistently end up either at the same level or even a little lower.

I'm beginning to think our glucometers have their own personalities.   :blink:    Does routine exercise give more stabilized mg/dl after meals?  Does consumption of too much fat at one meal ever give you an upset stomach?

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I'm beginning to think our glucometers have their own personalities.   :blink:    Does routine exercise give more stabilized mg/dl after meals?  Does consumption of too much fat at one meal ever give you an upset stomach?

 

As I said, this is not the meter, or is not just the meter.  Otherwise I would see the same variability in the evenings, which I do not.

 

I haven't been able to correlate exercise to immediate BG changes, but I do suspect it has an overall affect, so I keep up with it.  However, I have skipped a couple days here and there and haven't seen a rise in my numbers on those days or the days following.

 

Re fat: Now this is interesting.

 

In 1998 I had my gall bladder removed.  I was told that fat would react badly with me and I went on a low fat diet.  And I had a lot of gastric issues.  Lots.  As in going to the bathroom 10-15 times a day type thing.

 

And then I was diagnosed as diabetic.  I dropped starches and fruits and started adding back in stuff I loved like fatty meats, cheeses, nuts, and similar.  And boom, no more gastric issues.  Totally went away.

 

I've done similar to Orlando in a pinch.  Taken a swig or two of olive oil to up my fat content\calorie count on days when I haven't had the best choices available for meals.  Its not something I like to do on a regular basis however as its not very enjoyable.  Instead I prefer to integrate it into my meals.  Like with the egg salad.  Whole eggs so I get the fats from it.  I then add mayo, lots of fat there.

 

Or if I make an egg scramble, I'll mix a bit of heavy whipping cream into the eggs when I beat them.  And I'll cook the eggs in a generous amount of butter or bacon fat if I have any at the time (they really should sell it in stores).

 

Basically I cook everything in fat of some sort of another, choose fattier pieces of meat, the lower carb nuts which have the higher fat content, oil based salad dressings, and similar.  I make one with horseradish, olive oil, walnut oil, salt, pepper, dijon mustard, and a splash of red wine vinegar that I use as a steak sauce.  Its really good.  Also good as a dip for raw veggies.  I make gravy using the drippings from meat (or broth) and heavy whipping cream.  Simmer on low heat and it thickens up quite nicely all on its own.

 

I make a dessert which uses cream cheese and heavy whipping cream as the base.  Then add whatever flavorings you like.  Its amazing with SF Davinci Caramel syrup and a drop or two of vanilla.  Or unsweetened cocoa powder and liquid stevia.  Or add some pumpkin puree, usual pumpkin pie spices, and stevia.  I've made that for Christmas a few times now.  Even my extremely picky eater husband said it tasted just like pumpkin pie.

 

To join in on the thread, I had Chipotle for dinner last night (late night at work).  Salad (no beans,rice or dressing), fajita veggies, barbacoa (shredded beef), sour cream, cheese, hot salsa, and guac.

 

Before dinner - 86 (about 7:45pm)

2 hours later - 88 (just before 10pm)

This morning fasting - 89 (7am)

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If it wasn't for fat, I would not make it on low carb.

Today I'm finally began entering the micronutrient breakdown to all my meals on my daily food pages.  And I was shocked to notice that my wonderful, healthy Viva cold pressed organic virgin coconut oil has 14 grams of fat to 1-tbs, and I use 2-tbs in my smoothies.  My carbs are low.  I'm surprised how low they are.  But my calories are way too high.  (sigh)  It's work.

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As I said, this is not the meter, or is not just the meter.  Otherwise I would see the same variability in the evenings, which I do not.

 

I haven't been able to correlate exercise to immediate BG changes, but I do suspect it has an overall affect, so I keep up with it.  However, I have skipped a couple days here and there and haven't seen a rise in my numbers on those days or the days following.

 

Re fat: Now this is interesting.

 

In 1998 I had my gall bladder removed.  I was told that fat would react badly with me and I went on a low fat diet.  And I had a lot of gastric issues.  Lots.  As in going to the bathroom 10-15 times a day type thing.

 

And then I was diagnosed as diabetic.  I dropped starches and fruits and started adding back in stuff I loved like fatty meats, cheeses, nuts, and similar.  And boom, no more gastric issues.  Totally went away.

 

I've done similar to Orlando in a pinch.  Taken a swig or two of olive oil to up my fat content\calorie count on days when I haven't had the best choices available for meals.  Its not something I like to do on a regular basis however as its not very enjoyable.  Instead I prefer to integrate it into my meals.  Like with the egg salad.  Whole eggs so I get the fats from it.  I then add mayo, lots of fat there.

 

Or if I make an egg scramble, I'll mix a bit of heavy whipping cream into the eggs when I beat them.  And I'll cook the eggs in a generous amount of butter or bacon fat if I have any at the time (they really should sell it in stores).

 

Basically I cook everything in fat of some sort of another, choose fattier pieces of meat, the lower carb nuts which have the higher fat content, oil based salad dressings, and similar.  I make one with horseradish, olive oil, walnut oil, salt, pepper, dijon mustard, and a splash of red wine vinegar that I use as a steak sauce.  Its really good.  Also good as a dip for raw veggies.  I make gravy using the drippings from meat (or broth) and heavy whipping cream.  Simmer on low heat and it thickens up quite nicely all on its own.

 

I make a dessert which uses cream cheese and heavy whipping cream as the base.  Then add whatever flavorings you like.  Its amazing with SF Davinci Caramel syrup and a drop or two of vanilla.  Or unsweetened cocoa powder and liquid stevia.  Or add some pumpkin puree, usual pumpkin pie spices, and stevia.  I've made that for Christmas a few times now.  Even my extremely picky eater husband said it tasted just like pumpkin pie.

 

To join in on the thread, I had Chipotle for dinner last night (late night at work).  Salad (no beans,rice or dressing), fajita veggies, barbacoa (shredded beef), sour cream, cheese, hot salsa, and guac.

 

Before dinner - 86 (about 7:45pm)

2 hours later - 88 (just before 10pm)

This morning fasting - 89 (7am)

You guys are amazing with your high fat, low mg/dl scores.  I can't imagine drinking olive oil straight.  Now I do eat spoons of coconut oil sometimes.  I love it.   And I do use heavy whipping cream every day.  And I love cream cheese, especially in fat bombs.  But I don't like sour cream in anything except Ranch dressing.  I can't cook everything in bacon fat.  Don't laugh but I don't like the color it makes my food.  Presentation is important to me: even if I'm sitting here talking to myself, and I don't want my food looking brown and black and speckled.  :)  But I do cook my eggs in butter and sometimes in coconut oil.

 

I love the story about your gallbladder.  Physician heal thyself.  That's you and that's a good thing.  I like to consider myself a self-healer, also.

 

Re: exercise lowering BG.  Truth is I've been a bad girl and have not been exercising with my gal Leslie Sansones (video program, Miracle Miles).  But I have been watching my carbs, and upped my fats, and I've lost 2-inches in my waist.  So I can't help but think my BG levels should get lower once I program my body to consistently exercise.  I'll lose more weight and, as we all know, that helps bring down A1c levels.  We'll see.

 

I kind of ate odd for mid-time and snacks and after, and I haven't checked my BG since 2-hours after 1st morning meal.  I air fried kale today for the first time.  And it came out great.  I ate so many different types of things today, all low carbs, but lots of calories.  And I ate them when I felt like it, which was all over the clock.  But still, I only ate 45.5 grams carbs.  And for me that's amazing.  But I felt nauseous from eating fat today.  That's why I asked that question. 

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My current calorie goal is around 1500 a day.

 

I'm usually at around 25-30g carbs a day (lets call it 30) and 60-70g protein a day (lets call it 70).

There are approximately 4 calories per gram of protein and carbs, so that gives me around 400 calories a day from protein and carbs.

 

Which means, to hit my calorie goal of around 1500 a day, I need to eat around 122g of fat (approximately 9 calories per gram) a day.

 

That goes down to 100g fat a day if I target 1300 calories a day, which I won't go under.  I've dieted lower than that and all that happens is it kills my metabolism.  At that point its better to raise my activity level instead.

 

In regards to exercise, I have found the best thing to do is make it consistent.  Do something every day, even if its just walking.  Give it some time and it becomes a habit.  Give it a little longer and it becomes an obsession.  I'm at a point that I've taken my evening walks in rain storms, snow, high winds, and similar because if I don't go out I start going nuts.  :)  They are actually as much as stress relief and relaxation for me as they are exercise.

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I just checked the macronutrients on these foods and I am so amazed at the fat content, I can hardly speak.  But I trust you know what you are doing.     

I dont fear fat if thats what you mean.I have checked out the biochemistry of ketogenesis very thoroughly. Listened and read lots of great stuff from Dr Westman,Dr Finney, Prof Volek and other honest researchers. Fat doesnt make one fat, its the insulin.I have lost well over 100 lbs eating this way.I have many heart related problems and there is no evidence that this diet is having negative effects. I get blood tests 4 times a year, heart scans and tread mill stress tests any time the Dr thinks its time to test.....Oh yes, I stopped taking statins, about a year ago.I have good faith in the pathway I have chosen, so far its working out very well.I am now in my fifth year of using a LCHF WOE.

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Orlando's post has reminded me.  There's a series of articles that talk about insulin, its purpose, what it does, how it affects us, etc.  I highly recommend it.  Its an 8 part series but the information is so very enlightening.

 

Its the Insulin Stupid - http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2015/09/its-the-insulin-1.html

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From this morning,

 

FBG 88 mg/dl , 3 hours after first bite of breakfast 97 mg/dl.[ macro nutrients, 5.94 carbs, 36.9 grams protein and 79 grams fat/oils.]= ca 754 calories.

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My current calorie goal is around 1500 a day.

 

I'm usually at around 25-30g carbs a day (lets call it 30) and 60-70g protein a day (lets call it 70).

There are approximately 4 calories per gram of protein and carbs, so that gives me around 400 calories a day from protein and carbs.

 

Which means, to hit my calorie goal of around 1500 a day, I need to eat around 122g of fat (approximately 9 calories per gram) a day.

 

That goes down to 100g fat a day if I target 1300 calories a day, which I won't go under.  I've dieted lower than that and all that happens is it kills my metabolism.  At that point its better to raise my activity level instead.

 

In regards to exercise, I have found the best thing to do is make it consistent.  Do something every day, even if its just walking.  Give it some time and it becomes a habit.  Give it a little longer and it becomes an obsession.  I'm at a point that I've taken my evening walks in rain storms, snow, high winds, and similar because if I don't go out I start going nuts.  :)  They are actually as much as stress relief and relaxation for me as they are exercise.

I love the way you explain things.  You should be a professor in an institution of higher learning.  (no kidding)

 

Yesterday I did not feel in charge of my body regarding what I ate.  I was out-of-sorts with the organization of food preparation vs how many times a day I ate.  I can't even list the macronutrients because I didn't figure in everything that I consumed in the latter part of the day.  But my caloric intake was about 1600.

 

I also strive for about 1500 calories a day.  I'm 5'3" and about 162 lbs. now, I think.  My electronic bathroom scale has emotional highs and lows like some of these glucometers.  So I'll find out my correct weight when I see my Pulmonologist next week.

 

I like the way you configure the balance in your macronutrients.  I'm going to follow your plan.  BTW, I fried my 1-egg cheese omelet in a little bacon grease this morning and there was no speckled look and no greasy taste.  I must've done it right this time.  So I apologize for yesterday's comment.  :blush:  (I am still a work in progress)

 

You said: "There are approximately 4 calories per gram of protein and carbs, so that gives me around 400 calories a day from protein and carbs."

 

Yes, but how many calories per gram of fat?  Yesterday I put 2-TBS of the Viva Organic Extra-Virgin, cold-pressed, coconut oil in my smoothie.  1-TBS is 130 calories and 14 grams of fat.  And I ate two TBS.  I ate 260 calories and 28 grams fat in one drink.  And that's just from the c-nut oil and doesn't include the heavy whipping cream, almond milk, raspberries, etc.

 

"It's a lovely day in the neighborhood" and I think I shall try a new approach to being more harmonious with thyself.  Good grief, I sound like a Pilgrim. 

 

My new motto: I want to learn and live

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