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Funnygrl

This kinda pisses me off

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morrisma

Me too. I posted this comment:

 

Moron.

First, oral meds and no insulin do NOT mean there are not other changes going on each day like exercise or big meals which would make frequent testing worthwhile.

Second, diabetes is a progressive disease (unlike smug stupidity) and many type 2 diabetics will progress to requiring insulin. Testing often will prepare them for that eventuality.

Third, many diabetics are mis-diagnosed as type 2 at first and the quicker they are correctly diagnosed, the less likely complication will set in. Best way to do that? Testing, especially 2 hours after each meal.

 

Mike

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JediSkipdogg

I actually do have to side with that. I think for a type 2 not on insulin that they don't need tons of strips and 100 a month should be more than plenty. Of his first two questions...

 

Are you on insulin? "No"

Do you adjust your oral medications based on your readings? "No"

 

Those there seem very relevant to me. Now, I do understand some need it for figuring out how foods effect them, so that may be during early diagnosis, but besides that 100 a month should be plenty in my opinon.

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Funnygrl
I actually do have to side with that. I think for a type 2 not on insulin that they don't need tons of strips and 100 a month should be more than plenty. Of his first two questions...

 

Are you on insulin? "No"

Do you adjust your oral medications based on your readings? "No"

 

Those there seem very relevant to me. Now, I do understand some need it for figuring out how foods effect them, so that may be during early diagnosis, but besides that 100 a month should be plenty in my opinon.

I agree they shouldn't be testing 5 times a day- but he recommends every 3 days? Good lord. Yes, 100 a month should be good.

 

But if someone wants to test more than that, and feels it's helpful, should they be prevented?

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JediSkipdogg
But if someone wants to test more than that, and feels it's helpful, should they be prevented?

 

Depends on their reason and their knowledge/ability to monitor changes in their condition. If they are going to test 3 times a day and then download the results during their next office visit and leave the data up to their doctor then no, testing that much isn't necessary.

 

Heck, I'd support required classes that must be taken with doctors on proper training of what BG values mean and stuff like that before one could get more strips.

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Funnygrl

Eh, required classes would be helpful only if the doctor knew more than the patient. I had a patient a few weeks back, who on her doctor's advice, was on sliding scale 70/30.

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xMenace

As a type 1 who is currently non-compliant, I tell new type 2's or those soley on meds to test once or twice a day. Get two or three fasts a week and the rest a mixture of before meals and post-prandials.

 

I tell them their main objective is to look for trends.

 

BUT I also tell them to use their tester as a food discovery tool. Use it to find out if those potatoes are sending you high or whether that pizza is kicking in four hours after you eat it or whether that glass of wine is keeping you low or whatever!

 

I'd be more angry with the non-compliant diabetics. Gie them the **** for putting extra burden on our health care systems, not on the person working extra hard to stay healthy!

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Mich

Who made this Pharmacist the boss of strip distribution? I immediately pictured a nervous Type 2 newby who was trying to figure it all out trying to get the tools to do so.

 

They had a scrip, so evidently had talked to the doctor about it. I just hate it when Pharmacists and managers feel they are more qualified to say what a person needs than their own doctor, particularly a specialist doctor.

 

I'd have two questions for him:

 

1. Does he question the overuse of antibiotics as vehemently as he does test strips?

 

2. Why are something as easy to make and so necessary as test strips so expensive?

 

Just my opinion,

 

Mich

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Jan B
I'd have two questions for him:

 

1. Does he question the overuse of antibiotics as vehemently as he does test strips?

 

2. Why are something as easy to make and so necessary as test strips so expensive?

 

Just my opinion,

 

Mich

 

Good questions. Now what would that pharmacist say?!

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shiftzor

Pharmacist is not a Doctor and most Doctors aren’t diabetic specialists, I would treat anything he said with a pinch of salt.

 

I would like to make a doctor a diabetic, just for a day, so they can learn what it’s like and realise that they not only need to educate themselves but to educate others. There are too many "opinions" or "theories". On occasions my pharmacist has asked me questions about people’s usage of various items but has never offered me advice other than being supportive, such as when my prescription for strips was change randomly, this is the way it should be.

 

That patient surly is on a dose of insulin specified by the doctor and has another appointment to adjust the dose, thus the 5 times a day. I wish my doctor would take an active interest in my insulin regime; alas I have more chance of that double-decker bus finishing me off.:D

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xMenace

2. Why are something as easy to make and so necessary as test strips so expensive?

 

It would make me extatic if we could somehow start an effective lobby to investigate and change this. Any ideas?

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Evermont
It would make me extatic if we could somehow start an effective lobby to investigate and change this. Any ideas?

 

If strips, from so many different companies are all coincidentally overpriced that would indicate price fixing. Lets get Elliot Spitzer on the case...

 

Oh wait, um, never mind.

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JediSkipdogg
It would make me extatic if we could somehow start an effective lobby to investigate and change this. Any ideas?

 

That's what drives me nuts. These large corporations that can change that do nothing. Where is the JDRF? Where is the ADA? How about the IDF? Why are these companies that have millions donated to them yearly not helping the general public to make the items more affordable? Heck, they'd get twice as much money donated if they cut strip pricing in half (which in my opinion is very reasonable.)

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RobiJo

I kinda agree with the article. Why test that often if you do nothing with the results. I think the point of view it was written from is more to do something with the results if you are going to test that often.

 

I think any T2 (or even T1) who RESPONDS to BGs when doing 2-3 a day is going to have better control etc. than anyone doing 5-10 tests a day and doing nothing with the results.

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Emm

Surely instead of complaining about test strip overuse he could give some diabetics the knowledge they need to use them wisely? why must people always complain about problems without offering an answer?

 

Reading that really pee'd me off... I do understand that Ds who aren't taking active control need help. Limiting their strips doesn't help, it hurts. Instead, they need knowlege to use them properly! They need to know what to do with those numbers.

 

I bet most uncompliant diabetics are actually just lost because they have had that silly simple explanation from their doctor and no help since.

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notme

I agree with what this pharmacist has to say. However, they way he says it is rude and a total turn off. His holier than though attitude and foul language is really a quick way to get people to turn a deaf ear. What this fellow said could have been said in about one paragraph and done quite nicely without his nasty attitude toward the people he is supposed to be helping.

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Dewey

This guy & his whole blog pi**es me off!!! He's so cocky, rude & condescending, that most people can't get past any of that to decide whether or not they'd actually agree with him on something.

 

I just "love" (SARCASM) how he calls the general public (as Nancy so aptly put it - the people he's supposed to be helping) "tards." What a smug know-it-all. He's a bona fide jack a$$, in my NOT so humble opinion. Wish I knew where he worked so I'd know NEVER to go there. Oh wait....My pharmacy is mail order. :evil:

 

Sorry, he just struck a chord in me. I'm with Nancy (with regard to the guy's 'tude), Mich Mike and some of the others.

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Gangrel
What this fellow said could have been said in about one paragraph and done quite nicely without his nasty attitude toward the people he is supposed to be helping.

 

...but then there wouldn't be a 2 page thread on the site. ;)

 

Howard Stern knows, controversy sells. If the blog was polite, no one would read it.

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notme

Ahhh heck Gangrel, I would have read it. Honestly, I don't need anyone to swear at me or insult me to read or listen to them! ;)

 

I know what you are saying. It is kinda like a train wreck, you just can't help but look.

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ant hill
This guy & his whole blog pi**es me off!!! He's so cocky, rude & condescending, that most people can't get past any of that to decide whether or not they'd actually agree with him on something.

Hey Dewey, I am right with you on this one honey!!

 

I just "love" (SARCASM) how he calls the general public (as Nancy so aptly put it - the people he's supposed to be helping) "tards." What a smug know-it-all. He's a bona fide jack a$$, in my NOT so humble opinion. Wish I knew where he worked so I'd know NEVER to go there. Oh wait....My pharmacy is mail order. :evil:

Dewey, I am the poor sod who go to the pharmacy for these soden strips so here is the questions that I tell them.

  • are you a diabetic?
  • Are you on insulin?
  • Do you have to count carbs and match that with fast acting insulin?
  • Do you have to watch what you doing with exercise?
  • Do you take jelly beans to prop up yourself if you get low?

Sorry, he just struck a chord in me. I'm with Nancy (with regard to the guy's 'tude), Mich Mike and some of the others.

Hey Dewey, There is noth'in like a Jacka$$ who seems to think that is all you need, You know I see that the pharmacist is that of a type 2 and god I'll give her heaps. Sorry Dew, I'll put back my colt 44 back in the holster. :o

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kstreeter513
That's what drives me nuts. These large corporations that can change that do nothing. Where is the JDRF? Where is the ADA? How about the IDF? Why are these companies that have millions donated to them yearly not helping the general public to make the items more affordable? Heck, they'd get twice as much money donated if they cut strip pricing in half (which in my opinion is very reasonable.)

 

This is what drives me crazy too. Who cares what some moron obviously without diabetes has to say about people who test too much (if there is such a thing). Yes, I agree, test wisely and use your results to change something or work with your doctor to develop a different regimen, but if you think you need to test 10+ times a day , and are willing to do it...more power to ya!!

 

But the whole money thing is what kills me. Why do strips cost a dollar a pop? Because these companies know they can charge that. They don't care about you and me. I'd be willing to bet that we don't even need to use a blood sample to check our blood any more. Are you telling me that the technology to test without a blood sample is not out there? Or is it that these glucose monitoring companies know that if they make it so we can use a UV light (or whatever the case may be) to check our BG that they would be lossing billions in test strips. Ever thought about how they can afford to give away free meters? They want your business buying strips. Pi**es me off. Okay, now I'm angry.:mad: Deep breath....:D

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jerryn

Funny Girl, I checked the site out that you posted.

The guy sounds like an eliteist idiot.

 

I test often too. It's the only way I can keep tight control.

I like to know how a meal affected me or how a workout benefited me. It helps.

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Jill-O

Well, if the answers to the supposed questions were really "no" then the person shouldn't bother to test (not changing anything -- meds, foods or actiions) based on the meter results. However, I can't imagine a person testing more than 4x a day (more than the doctor said) if they were not basing action on the numbers. Personally, I do adjust my insulin based on my pre-meal numbers, I factor what I will be eating based on my number, and I figure what I ate that did well or not based on the numbers... Basically just like I think most of us do!

 

Let me rant about the pharmasists and the pharmacy assistants. There are sure some ______ that choose that line of work. I've learned do NOT drop a prescription renewal off before it's due to be refilled as they will loose it, and then do every thing other than say "I don't care" when you ask them how they could loose it and explain you now need the meds. Don't expect them to call if they can't refill the prescription like the automated system says they will. Don't trust them to fill the prescription as the doctor said (I've gotten 1/2 the pills I needed before, and then had to argue w/ the person that you need more than 15 pills to take 1/2 a pill 2x a day for 30 days). I just love CVS (not). Haven't bothered to switch as I've hard the competitors are just as much fun.

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