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I found in western part that soda is preferred over water and even diabetics are no exceptions. Why is soda so much loved?

I hate drinking soda personally no offense to anyone who likes it. But the main reason for getting metabolic syndrome is soda+burger+cheese+chips. I just can not believe how can people eat this much in one meal...so called big size and double size. Just hate it.

 

(P.S. Never mind..my personal opinions and not to offend anyone.)

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I found in western part that soda is preferred over water and even diabetics are no exceptions. Why is soda so much loved?

I hate drinking soda personally no offense to anyone who likes it. But the main reason for getting metabolic syndrome is soda+burger+cheese+chips. I just can not believe how can people eat this much in one meal...so called big size and double size. Just hate it.

 

(P.S. Never mind..my personal opinions and not to offend anyone.)

 

I have the same question. I don't like soda - which makes me a freak. I prefer water. I've been a vegetarian for 24 years too, so no burgers. You might be wrong about the cheese. Never underestimate the power of cheese! :D I could take or leave the chips most of the time - and since Dx... I just leave them. Not a big loss for me.

 

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Oh, what, like there are no cola was in India ... ? ;)

 

I am a diet soda drinker, I do not like the taste of our water, here.

 

I grew up on well water and when we moved here, I HATED the chlorine taste and never really got over it. I drink tea, coffee, soda, soy milk ... and only rarely H2O plain. Pathetic, I know. My workplace has really icky tasting tap water -- something about the building's biofilm. And I am too tight to buy bottled! :eek:

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Diabetes India

You are right Ms.Linda... Cola reached India with McDonald's and so the diabetes ;)

 

True about the chlorine water. When I was in Idaho for few semisters - I had different experiences too. But bottled water is available everywhere still I see everyday - people take coke... now diet coke (to get false satisfaction that they are drinking good beverage) but never pick up water bottle.

 

P.S. Please no offense, I have big big hate since my med school to soft drinks.. very biased.

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Soda and stress and overeating is what put me over, a former athlete and avid tennis player/instructor getting sick gradually with T2 because I was slightly depressed and drank close to 1 2-liter of non diet everyday for 2 years...Learn from me.

 

Daniel

 

Life's too precious, I wish everyday and night that I felt normal again and never having to prick myself nor take meds that makes me feel like a zombie.

 

Daniel

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Constant comsumption of sodas has always been a mystery to me, as I was always left thirstier after drinking one than I was to begin with. BUT...just prior to diagnosis, on my sad descent into DKA there wasn't enough Ginger Ale on the planet to satisfy me. I can't believe Canada Dry is still in business since my hospital stay:D . Haven't had (or wanted) one in over two years. [i love the water in LA....but have you ever tried the tap water in Phoenix? Ick.]

 

Jen

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I found in western part that soda is preferred over water and even diabetics are no exceptions. Why is soda so much loved?

I hate drinking soda personally no offense to anyone who likes it. But the main reason for getting metabolic syndrome is soda+burger+cheese+chips. I just can not believe how can people eat this much in one meal...so called big size and double size. Just hate it.

 

(P.S. Never mind..my personal opinions and not to offend anyone.)

 

Hello,

I drink soda – everyday. I drink caffeine free diet soda. Is soda good for us? Of course not. But consider this:

Since being dx’d with diabetes, I have given up All white flour, ice cream, all potatoes, carrots, oranges, cut meat to 3 oz per meal, cereal, almost all grain products, all bread (except 1 slice of whole wheat double fiber per day) and other products. That translates to hundreds of sacrifices – cookies, cake, brownies, pizza, sandwiches, etc.

Last November, they put in stents – now I also cut cheese – now I can eat fat free cheese – tastes like wax.

Why would I drink soda? – I like it. It does not impact my BG numbers and does not affect my stents. I guess the real answer it this – It really may be the lesser of 100 evils.

If you do not like soda, good for you. I am sure everyone here on this forum have sacrificed a lot to be successful. I can achieve success without this sacrifice. Later, Larry

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Diabetes India

Do not take me wrong on SODA. I am not asking anyone to stop drinking it if they love it. Life is all about "Living healthy" - in three aspect - spiritual, mental and physical: thats how we define health in Preventive and social medicine.

 

Mr.Evermont asked a question in different thread about student physician having less exposure to diet and nutrition training - not sure about student physicians in states since I finished mine from India. And since being a part of endocrine program, I do personally show interest to interact with diabetes educators as I dont want to keep any unanswered questions for my patients from my side.

 

Coming back to Soda - Regular vs diet - does not matter. It is huge huge destroyer of every cell of our body starting from enamel of teeth to food pipe, stomach, intesines... :( the space is small here. It literally does oxidation.

 

Everyone is so much brain washed about sodas... oh my my :D Every adolescent I have seen consumes so much soda .. just can't believe.

 

All credit goes to Marketting. People dont like (so do I) pharma companies making business of drugs, but what about soda business...they are so much brainwashed with SODAs... unbelievable.

 

As a med student, I had one patient to whom I was asking to stop consuming tobacco use. He said doc - why dont you ask those companies to stop producing or ask government to ban it. If both are not doing anything, means it is good to consume.

 

P.S.: My own opinions.. just thought to share with you...

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Ahhh yes, I see you are looking from a different prospective than I. I agree with you. Soda is not good for us. But from my perspective, it really does matter if it is diet vs regular. You see, I am looking on the impact of my conditions - including diabetes. Among all the things I cut, sugar was first and still is.

 

Also, I agree with you. If you are talking about education, then in this country - we have made many mistakes. If I had been raised with your outlook and value relating to food and drinks, I probably would have never considered drinking soda. We had an exchange student from Spain. She returns to us about every other year and stays 90 days until she has to return. Her first comment when she first came was "look, there is food on every corner of every block." She was correct.

 

And whether or not your patient stops smoking is another decision. If he blamed anyone, the government, the tobacco manufacturer, or his AUNT EDNA who gave him the money to buy tobacco, there is no one to blame other than himself. I make no excuses. I do not blame anyone. I am a product of my environment, family and my own decisions. I take that responsibility totally. I even have made efforts to change what I drink.

By the way, that bottled water. Several years ago, I did that. It was called Aquafina - you can still buy it here. I did not drink tap eater. I live in the same place as Linda. I do not like the way it tastes. I bought water, only to find out that it was simply tap water and not even filtered. Maybe some here in the U.S. might remember that.

 

Anyway, I do not disagree that soda is not good for you. Neither is sun tan skin. Or make up on ladies, or ... well there are thousands. Nice thoughts. Later, Larry

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I found in western part that soda is preferred over water and even diabetics are no exceptions. Why is soda so much loved?

I hate drinking soda personally no offense to anyone who likes it. But the main reason for getting metabolic syndrome is soda+burger+cheese+chips. I just can not believe how can people eat this much in one meal...so called big size and double size. Just hate it.

 

(P.S. Never mind..my personal opinions and not to offend anyone.)

 

i don't mind you stating a personal opinion. but i don't like it when your opinion is not expressed clearly and unambiguously.

 

do you object to the act of drinking water which is infused with carbon dioxide? or are you objecting to beverages which contain large amounts sugars? (and if so why don't you object to sugary drinks like orange juice and milk?).

 

this is unclear.

 

if you are concerned about the ingestion carbohydrate would you like to mention your opinion of the indian diet which is largely based on carbohydrates, e.g. fruit, rice, flour, milk etc etc etc.

 

thanks.

 

:)

 

-- joel.

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imac

This is all a bit of a beat up, I saw the comment that mcdonalds introduced cola to india and diabetes followed. They must have sold a lot of soda as india has one of the largest incidence of diabetes in the world.

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i don't mind you stating a personal opinion. but i don't like it when your opinion is not expressed clearly and unambiguously.

 

do you object to the act of drinking water which is infused with carbon dioxide? or are you objecting to beverages which contain large amounts sugars? (and if so why don't you object to sugary drinks like orange juice and milk?).

 

this is unclear.

 

if you are concerned about the ingestion carbohydrate would you like to mention your opinion of the indian diet which is largely based on carbohydrates, e.g. fruit, rice, flour, milk etc etc etc.

 

 

 

thanks.

 

:)

 

-- joel.

I strongly object drinking SODA -Diet or regular to diabetic or non diabetic in replacement for water due to brainwash done by marketting giants. If same brainwash is done to avoid carbonated drinks with preserved and precoocked food ..ADA and AACE will become like GM.

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I strongly object drinking SODA -Diet or regular to diabetic or non diabetic in replacement for water due to brainwash done by marketting giants. If same brainwash is done to avoid carbonated drinks with preserved and precoocked food ..ADA and AACE will become like GM.

 

Quite an assumption - people drink soda because they are brainwashed by marketing giants. I too am educated. I have a Masters of Science, and Ed Specialist in Higher Education Administration, a Masters of Science in Avaition Safety, and all but the disseration on my doctorate. - I can read. I can understand research. But again, I like soda and made this decision - brainwashing inferrs that I am not responsible for this decision and should blame someone else "marketing giants" as you state. I don't need any scapegoats.

 

You seem to have difficulty seeing through your prejudiced point of view regarding the consumption of soda to relent to the possiblity there might be other reasons for this consumption as described in my eariler post.

The issue of "brainwashing" is just a distraction to the issue and subject of the thread "Why Soda."

 

Why do you make the assumption that drinking water in many parts of the world is good for anyone. Even our water here in the U.S. is laced with many ingredients which are "good for us."

But that too is a distraction.

Why soda - I like it.

No, not because I was "brainwashed." It may be my habit, but I break habits if I choose. (and yes, tobacco use in one I quit 6 years ago - smoked a pipe).

OK enough fun for now. Later, Larry

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I strongly object drinking SODA -Diet or regular to diabetic or non diabetic in replacement for water due to brainwash done by marketting giants. If same brainwash is done to avoid carbonated drinks with preserved and precoocked food ..ADA and AACE will become like GM.

 

Oh! You are a conspiracy theorist! Why didn't you just say so. That would make life so much simpler for us dopes.

 

:)

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The problem with soda is that it was originally designed as a medicine with actual healing qualities (got rid of headaches, that's about it), to something more of a treat made with natural ingredients for the most part, cane sugar, etcetera. If a soda is cane sugar sweetened, one starts feeling "full" after one. With the HFCS, a person can keep drinking and drinking, and it is cheaper, so win-win for Pepsi execs. This is why at McDonald's a large "coke" used to be 12 ounces, and now it is something along the lines of 64 ounces. With children the problem is that it is marketed to them as an okay drink to have at lunch, and many times parents give them money to buy lunch at schools, and all that the schools have to offer is soda and other sweetened drinks. I don't blame the soda companies, I blame the person not able to exercise self control, the person not reading the labels, and the parents not teaching their children proper nutrition. Same goes with tobacco - Tobacco companies didn't force the smoker to smoke. Everyone knows it is bad for you, don't tell me there is some place on earth that doesn't know.

Also, don't forget that India is a claimant to the first possible sweetened soda.

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With children the problem is that it is marketed to them as an okay drink to have at lunch, and many times parents give them money to buy lunch at schools, and all that the schools have to offer is soda and other sweetened drinks. I don't blame the soda companies, I blame the person not able to exercise self control, the person not reading the labels, and the parents not teaching their children proper nutrition. Same goes with tobacco - Tobacco companies didn't force the smoker to smoke. Everyone knows it is bad for you, don't tell me there is some place on earth that doesn't know.

Also, don't forget that India is a claimant to the first possible sweetened soda.

 

Lots of good points here. I think it is up to the parents to teach their children self-control, manners, discipline and good health.

 

I think that smoking is much demonized because it is an easy target. i suspect that sugar and carbohydrates are a far bigger villain in ill-health than tobacco smoke. but smoking is now an easy target and the lobbies move under their own momentum.

 

i didn't want too mention the link between india and sugary drinks. but i had read something similar.

 

:)

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I strongly object drinking SODA -Diet or regular to diabetic or non diabetic in replacement for water due to brainwash done by marketting giants. If same brainwash is done to avoid carbonated drinks with preserved and precoocked food ..ADA and AACE will become like GM.
DiabetesIndia - I'm sorry.. But you sound uneducated when you say there is no difference between sugared or diet soda. There is ALL the difference in the world. The overuse of white sugar and High fructose corn syrup is a serious health risk. We agree. But diet soda does NOT do the same damage. Nutrasweet has been proven completely safe for consumption and does nothing to the enamel on your teeth.

 

So you need to make your argument more succinct. Otherwise we just dismiss it as nonsense.

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Just for the record, I RARELY drink diet or regular soda. Maybe once in a while when I'm out. I consider it an occasional treat. I do drink lots of Pellegrino, however, usually with lemon.

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Oh! You are a conspiracy theorist! Why didn't you just say so. That would make life so much simpler for us dopes.

 

:)

 

I made it clear earlier-

1. Do not take wrong me on SODA. No offense to anyone- whoever like it should enjoy it.

2. It was my opinion or theory or hypothesis, whatever is th name- I mentioned earlier- I am just biased.

3. And to my surprise - it's just not my opinion but I know diabetes researchers who has been on chair position at ADA mentioned about the same theory.

4. Lastly, soda is still considered a normal beverage. We ask in social history to patient - do you smoke? Drink alcohol? Any illicit drugs? .....after few years.. I won't be surprised to see an additional question- do you drink soda? Which one - diet or regular ?......this does not mean soda should be stopped drinking. Is smoking or alcohol has stopped? No. It continued with a small warning at the bottom of pack- injurious to health. SODA is not so far from the race.

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DiabetesIndia - I'm sorry.. But you sound uneducated when you say there is no difference between sugared or diet soda. There is ALL the difference in the world. The overuse of white sugar and High fructose corn syrup is a serious health risk. We agree. But diet soda does NOT do the same damage. Nutrasweet has been proven completely safe for consumption and does nothing to the enamel on your teeth.

 

So you need to make your argument more succinct. Otherwise we just dismiss it as nonsense.

 

Yes, regular SODA is more harmful than diet, but that does not mean diet soda is healthy. It is like smoking a filtered cigarette.

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I have the same question. I don't like soda - which makes me a freak. I prefer water. I've been a vegetarian for 24 years too, so no burgers. You might be wrong about the cheese. Never underestimate the power of cheese! :D I could take or leave the chips most of the time - and since Dx... I just leave them. Not a big loss for me.

 

Portion size is a work in progress.

 

Join the club. I drink so much water my mom tells meI might drink too much. but i love it. Its the only liquid that quenches my thirst.

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Yes, regular SODA is more harmful than diet, but that does not mean diet soda is healthy. It is like smoking a filtered cigarette.

 

If you look at the chemicals in what goes into filtering a cigarette in most of the mainstream brands, you'd agree that it is possibly more harmful than a non-filtered one. Diet soda isn't healthy compared to water or mineral water, but it is calorie free, lower in sodium, sugar free, and the substitutes have been shown to be relatively harmless. I don't think your analogy a good one.

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DiabetesIndia - I'm sorry.. But you sound uneducated when you say there is no difference between sugared or diet soda. There is ALL the difference in the world. The overuse of white sugar and High fructose corn syrup is a serious health risk. We agree. But diet soda does NOT do the same damage. Nutrasweet has been proven completely safe for consumption and does nothing to the enamel on your teeth.

 

With all due respect, I do not want to say anything for my uneducated and nonsense quotes about diet soda, as facts are facts and can not be changed -

This is just a small quote from a report -

 

Diet Coke is poison. And it's addictive, some victims drink several liters a day and keep it on their nightstands. If Coke changes the formula to remove aspartame the world will heal and the surge of hatred and vengeance by the disabled and bereaved shall certainly destroy Coca Cola.

The poison in Diet Coke is aspartame. As a member of the National Soft Drink Association Coke opposed FDA approval of aspartame for beverages. their objections, running to several pages published in the Congressional Record of 5/7/85, said aspartame is uniquely and inherently unstable and breaks down in the can. It decomposes into formaldehyde, methyl alcohol, formic acid, diketopiperazine and other toxins.

 

How about this? -

 

The multi-billion dollar aspartame industry would like you believe that "aspartame kills" is an "urban legend" and that you'd have to drink 100 cans of diet soda a day to be harmed by aspartame. This is just simply not true. Their main claim is that the 3 components of aspartame are found in many natural foods and are therefore safe. This is kind of like saying carbon monoxide is safe because all it contains is carbon & oxygen, the same components of carbon dioxide. Methanol (wood alcohol), which makes up 10% of aspartame and is highly toxic (adult minimum lethal dose is 2 teaspoons), is also found in some fruits & vegetables like tomatoes. However, methanol is never found in natural foods without ethanol & pectin, its "antidotes" if you will (detailed facts below). Ethanol & pectin prevent methanol from being metabolized into formaldehyde (embalming fluid) & formic acid (same chemical as fire ant venom), both deadly toxins. An ethanol drip is even the standard emergency room treatment for methanol poisoning. Aspartame contains no ethanol or pectin, therefore the methanol is converted to formaldehyde and formic acid. Phenylalanine and aspartic acid, the other 2 components of aspartame, are amino acids found in natural foods but always as part of long chains of many different amino acids to form complex protein molecules that take humans 12 hours to gradually break down & assimilate. According to the doctors below, when consumed by themselves these 2 amino acids require no digestion and quickly enter the brain & central nervous system at abnormally high levels, overstimulating brain cells to death and causing many other health problems.

 

"Pro" aspartame people point to industry sponsored short term tests, ignoring independant tests. They point to "reliable" health sites, organizations, foundations etc. that are sponsored, funded & fed "facts" by companies that profit from aspartame. And of course, the FDA approved it so "it must be safe", neglecting to mention that the FDA denied aspartame approval for over 8 years until the newly appointed FDA commissioner Arthur Hull Hayes overruled the final scientic review panel, approved aspartame, and then went to work for G.D. Searle's (initial owner of aspartame) public relations firm at $1,000 a day. Hayes has refused all interviews to discuss his actions. The FDA also urged Congress to prosecute G.D. Searle for "specific false statements or concealed facts" stemming from Searle's testing of aspartame. However, the 2 government lawyers assigned to the case decided against prosecuting G.D. Searle and then joined G.D. Searle's law firm! Even the National Soft Drink Assn. filed a strong protest letter (available below) in 1983 against the approval of aspartame for use in beverages, saying "aspartame is inherently, markedly and uniquely unstable in aqueous media." Also, the FDA still allows hydrogenated oils to be used, does that make them safe?

 

So I think I would say -

 

- you need to make your argument more succinct. Otherwise we will not just dismiss it as nonsense but will try to understand it why facts are not being understood yet - Is the brainwash so strong?

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If you look at the chemicals in what goes into filtering a cigarette in most of the mainstream brands, you'd agree that it is possibly more harmful than a non-filtered one. Diet soda isn't healthy compared to water or mineral water, but it is calorie free, lower in sodium, sugar free, and the substitutes have been shown to be relatively harmless. I don't think your analogy a good one.

 

Yes, you are right... analogy is not appropriate. Just wanted to make a point which you said, diet soda is not healthy than water. You said it very true.

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