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DeusXM

This is precisely why there should be more research in cannabis-derived drugs. If they are able to isolate the compound that helps prevent retinopathy, then they'd be able to package it in tablet form so that you'd be able to get all the benefits without suffering the other, massive complications caused by cannabis smoking (cancer, schizophrenia, hypoglycaemia, hypotension).

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Dewey
With regards to the why would anyone debate, we all have choices to make in life, if you are happy with those choices and it harms no-one else then I see no issue, its easy to judge others, a lot harder to understand their choices.

Very well said! :thumbsup: I couldn't agree more!

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psilocybin
This is precisely why there should be more research in cannabis-derived drugs. If they are able to isolate the compound that helps prevent retinopathy, then they'd be able to package it in tablet form so that you'd be able to get all the benefits without suffering the other, massive complications caused by cannabis smoking (cancer, schizophrenia, hypoglycaemia, hypotension).

 

totally agree with you deus...you brought up a very interesting point...

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psilocybin

and it is also said that this compound that protects us from neuropathy also does not make you "high", which would also be good for business if they wanted to make it into a pill

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trailrunner

I smoke occaisonally. I beleive it's all about responsiblity. I plan out when where, what I am gonna have. I love ice cream so I get my favorite and enjoy, and test again. Also My kids are at grandmas and my husband and I stay in and watch movies. I don't think there is anything evil about it no more so than booze. In fact I think I know what I am gonna do this weekend, he he he!

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DeusXM
and it is also said that this compound that protects us from neuropathy also does not make you "high", which would also be good for business if they wanted to make it into a pill

 

Precisely. I currently do a lot of work with MS sufferers in my area and one of them is taking part in a cannabis-derived drug medical trial next month. Everyone in the support group is really excited because a lot of people with MS have found that the medicinal effects of smoking cannabis help improve their mobility and relieve pain. A cannabis-derived medicine would be a major, major step forward.

 

The problem is that there is immense fear of using cannabis-derived medicine because people always seem to be rather unsophisticated and only manage to see the narcotic potential of the plant. Cannabis probably isn't a wonder cure but the fact remains that so little research has been done into its medicinal effects that it'll keep thowing up surprises for time to come.

 

People don't bat an eyelid at administering morphine yet it's simply a refined version of heroin, which is probably a far more destructive drug than cannabis will ever be. There needs to be a lot of growing up about the debate of cannabis use in medicine but unfortunately it gets hijacked by the two groups who really don't have a stake in the issue. On the one hand you've got the 'execute drug users' crowd that pointblank fail to see that positive effects can be extracted from narcotics, and then you've got the holier-than-thou stoners who try to use the potential medicinal benefits of cannabis as some sort of moral justification for legalising pot.

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Dewey
Precisely. I currently do a lot of work with MS sufferers in my area and one of them is taking part in a cannabis-derived drug medical trial next month. Everyone in the support group is really excited because a lot of people with MS have found that the medicinal effects of smoking cannabis help improve their mobility and relieve pain. A cannabis-derived medicine would be a major, major step forward.

 

The problem is that there is immense fear of using cannabis-derived medicine because people always seem to be rather unsophisticated and only manage to see the narcotic potential of the plant. Cannabis probably isn't a wonder cure but the fact remains that so little research has been done into its medicinal effects that it'll keep thowing up surprises for time to come.

 

People don't bat an eyelid at administering morphine yet it's simply a refined version of heroin, which is probably a far more destructive drug than cannabis will ever be. There needs to be a lot of growing up about the debate of cannabis use in medicine but unfortunately it gets hijacked by the two groups who really don't have a stake in the issue. On the one hand you've got the 'execute drug users' crowd that pointblank fail to see that positive effects can be extracted from narcotics, and then you've got the holier-than-thou stoners who try to use the potential medicinal benefits of cannabis as some sort of moral justification for legalising pot.

I totally agree with you here, Deus. The adverse effects of morphine (an "approved" drug) far outweigh any effects of marijuana. Many people who have been administered morphine, even in small boluses (i.e. Carwy & many fellow cancer patients), have suffered from hallucinations, bad dreams, etc.

 

I also agree that there often seems to be "two camps" of thought on this. You're very right in that all too often, these people have no stake in it. Of course, in America, you also get a subjective government who puts their "moral" beliefs behind the processes, rather than looking at the medical facts of its potential. :damnmate:

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Tim_Roy
I'm with you, brother! Pass me the heroine!

 

What's her name, and are you sure she wants to be passed around like that? And if she's a heroine, she can probably hold her own, I don't want to tangle with a gal like that. And wouldn't her fans defend her?

 

heroine: A female hero.

heroin: an opiate/narcotic.

 

Sorry about that, that's one of my pet peeve spelling errors. One of 'ems a great person. The other one killed a family member and a friend.

 

Don't get me started on "looser" and "loser."

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theflcguy

hi can somone please help me

 

I have smoked weed quite often in my life thoe i feel that i seem to get a low blood sugar and feel week when i smoke . I tend to feel dizzy and sick and out of control of my body when i smoke too much . Does this mean hat i have diabetes ? Im not sure but i just thought it could be the case. I hate the feeling when smoking too much and have totaly given up as i felt like i was having a panic attack after last time i smoked it!!! can someone please reply to this and i would be most greatfull!

 

thanks

ollie

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Will
Ok, time for some useful advice....

 

Cannabis will cause your bg to drop, regardless of whether or not you have diabetes. Indeed the 'munchies' are caused by a drop in bg levels to a low level - in other words, people with the munchies are having a hypo, whether or not they are diabetic.

 

Obviously you'll appreciate that because you have T1, you don't quite have the same level of control over your bg as someone without diabetes. However you can safely smoke weed, providing that (as with all things with diabetes) you plan ahead.

 

Firstly, make sure you've already got some form of emergency sugar with you - glucose tablets, lucozade or regular soft drinks are probably the best because they'll work the quickest. I'd also recommend that you test your bg before, during and after smoking, but I realise this isn't always practical, so I'd say chuck some sugar down you before you start smoking, and get some down you whenever you can. Some people find they like to drink something whilst having a smoke too, so you might just want to have a sugary drink to sip on whilst you're smoking.

 

Eat something starchy after your sesh too - and if you can only do one test, then would be the ideal time.

 

Also be aware that cannabis lowers blood pressure. This is what causes the famous 'pulling a whitey', which describes the turning of the face from its regular colour to very pale, due to the blood pressure dropping.

 

I don't think you really need me to tell you that if this happens, you should stop smoking the stuff for that time and go and get some sugar, just in case. You might find drinking something like Red Bull will be useful in that situation, because the sugar content will help stop you going low, and the caffeine content will to some extent help combat the BG drop.

 

Having said all that, cannabis is a relatively 'safe' drug and is not particularly more dangerous than alcohol - indeed in some respects it is a safer drug because cannabis doesn't have the same effect on self-confidence or movement ability as alcohol. Nevertheless, all drugs, be they alcohol, tobacco, cannabis or amphetamines, will upset your bg control. The key is to know what they will do to your control, and then you can plan accordingly.

 

I use an insulin pump and I have never noticed a significant drop in bg from smoking marijuana. I maintian extremely good bloodsugars and I have been doing so for years.

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psilocybin
hi can somone please help me

 

I have smoked weed quite often in my life thoe i feel that i seem to get a low blood sugar and feel week when i smoke . I tend to feel dizzy and sick and out of control of my body when i smoke too much . Does this mean hat i have diabetes ? Im not sure but i just thought it could be the case. I hate the feeling when smoking too much and have totaly given up as i felt like i was having a panic attack after last time i smoked it!!! can someone please reply to this and i would be most greatfull!

 

thanks

ollie

 

no this is just the compound THC doing its job on you, different types of marijuana will effect u in a similar but different way.....if you were diabetic you would know it - more of type 1 than type 2

 

i smoke all the time....i get these mild panic attacks and my bgs are fine..its just a "bad trip" nothing to be worried about

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BriOnH

Fellow smoker. Never go low, or experience any diabetic adverse events when smoking. On avg I smoke about once a week, on Friday nights. Personally when I smoke and I am in pain, I notice the pain significantly more. That seems to go for anything I am feeling. If I am feeling anxious, I sure as heck am not going to smoke because I know it will just amplify it. Friday nights, when the work week is done, and the weekend is begginning, I am feeling pretty darn good. Throw a bong (should we say 'water pipe' here? hehe) load in and it makes for a dang good night! I do not drink, or use any other 'recreational' drugs.

 

I am glad scientific studies are being conducted with it. There is SO much heresay with this drug and what it can or can't do; the information is just unreliable, at best.

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I am glad scientific studies are being conducted with it. There is SO much heresay with this drug and what it can or can't do; the information is just unreliable, at best.

I feel the same way, BrionH.

Independant studies ROCK!

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ticklebug

All of this fuss over Marijuana has a lot to do with our country being built on Christian principals, IMO.

 

Nothing is going to change.

 

Should medical researchers even find Marijuana to do miracles someday, these findings and people's health will always be secondary to religion - regarless of what the bible says. Sad, but true.

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Vince1

I am all for it smoking pot is better for you then drinking,

you ask why?

Take two or three hits you feel good.

When you drink you drink for the whole evening now thats a lot of carbs & cals. and if you drink to much the night before

you feel like crap the next day, and we all know what that feels like.:albertein

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duck
All of this fuss over Marijuana has a lot to do with our country being built on Christian principals, IMO.

 

Nothing is going to change.

 

Should medical researchers even find Marijuana to do miracles someday, these findings and people's health will always be secondary to religion - regarless of what the bible says. Sad, but true.

 

I COMPLETELY disagree. If such sentiments were true, porn wouldn't be a multi-billion dollar industry in the USA.

 

My take is that mega-Pharma puts a lot of pressure on the Federal and State Governments to keep pot illegal. Imagine how much money they would lose in pain-killer sales alone if we could grow the best pain-killer ever in our own back yards? I'm not saying there isn't a "christian influence" in these decisions, but that's not what is keeping it illegal.

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duck
I am all for it smoking pot is better for you then drinking,

you ask why?

Take two or three hits you feel good.

When you drink you drink for the whole evening now thats a lot of carbs & cals. and if you drink to much the night before

you feel like crap the next day, and we all know what that feels like.:albertein

 

I've known people to get hungover from pot. I do concur that MJ has ZERO calories, woohoo! And what's wrong with smoking something that makes you laugh over the silliest things? Man oh mighty I wish I could laff like an idiot all the time.

 

BUT

 

I also know a few pot heads who are nothing more than non-contributing members of society. Gas station workers, janitors, and sorry at those jobs too. Maybe it's the pot, maybe it isn't. But that's always been the knock on the stuff, it ruins your motivation to accomplish anything, and I have seen that firsthand.

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DeusXM
Take two or three hits you feel good.

When you drink you drink for the whole evening now thats a lot of carbs & cals. and if you drink to much the night before

you feel like crap the next day, and we all know what that feels like.

 

Bull. Firstly, smoking will give you cancer - drinking won't, provided its in moderation.

 

Secondly, take it from me that cannabis can seriously mess you up the next day - I have had a far, far worse head the next day from smoking cannabis than from drinking alcohol. Indeed, the 'worst hangover ever' feeling the next day was what led me to only smoke the stuff twice and then give it up as a bad lot.

 

All of this fuss over Marijuana has a lot to do with our country being built on Christian principals, IMO.

 

Nothing is going to change.

 

If that were true, then cannabis would always have been illegal in the United States. As it happens, cannabis was only made illegal in the US in 1937. Prior to this time it was used as a medical treatment worldwide - indeed, Britain's Queen Victoria smoked cannabis to relieve period pain.

 

Oh, as it happens, even in the Bible there are references to smoking cannabis that don't carry value judgements.

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Lex4153

That may all well be true and I don't think it's really religion that looks down on marijuana, but more of the conservatives.

 

Some people experience ill side effects from smoking marijuana but the truth of the matter is that most don't. Most may feel slightly "burned out" afterward but the majority don't experience headache. Many more people experience hangovers after drinking alcohol, even when it is consumed at small levels. (cheap vodka anyone? :thumpdown ) Smoking marijuana is more harmful than smoking cigarettes, but if used for recreational use (a few times a month) should not cause any long-term damage. You breathe more toxins in the area from car pollution and second-hand cigarette smoke.

 

I personally do not smoke marijuana just on the basis that I'm currently job seeking and I never really got "into it", so I don't miss it. But I would prefer it to alcohol based on my diabetes if it were more culturally acceptable. (and if I could control those damn munchies!) I used to like to unwind every once in awhile and just kick back and watch a movie after I smoked. I don't think it should be used on a daily basis. That is when it is harmful to your health and also can be detrimental to motivation for everyday life but I also know people who smoke all the time and are very active and productive members of society with high intelligence. I don't know how they do it! It is not marijuana that is the evil that causes lack of motivation, it is the person who is using it that allows it to enter their life too frequently. In other words, it is the lifestyle that is accompanied with it, not the actual marijuana. As long as it is done in moderation, I see no problem in it for one's physical health or productivity levels.

 

Yes, marijuana was legal once. It was made illegal some time ago. But what about prohibition? Alcohol was banned as well because of a conservative backlash and yet that was overturned. I'm not for legalization, per se, but more of a decriminalization. Driving being high is one thing. Being in my own home not bothering anyone is another.

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DeusXM
I'm not for legalization, per se, but more of a decriminalization. Driving being high is one thing. Being in my own home not bothering anyone is another.

 

Precisely. I'm all for the legalising of cannabis - just put it in packs like cigarettes, make it available only to over-18s and then tax the heck out of it. However, I just don't feel strongly enough either way about it to actually protest or anything.

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ticklebug

If that were true, then cannabis would always have been illegal in the United States. As it happens, cannabis was only made illegal in the US in 1937. Prior to this time it was used as a medical treatment worldwide - indeed, Britain's Queen Victoria smoked cannabis to relieve period pain.

 

Oh, as it happens, even in the Bible there are references to smoking cannabis that don't carry value judgements.

 

Like Lex said, I agree this is more a "conservative issue". I may be wrong about the "Christian referrence". It's just that I hear too often of them complaining about "moral issues" even including porn and also cursing, homosexuality, prostitution, and the legalization of cannabis. Of course, this doesn't mean they don't do this themselves. Some just preach it. :stupido:

 

....But in any event, it was quite interesting to hear that the Queen did it herself!

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