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MrsMia

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MrsMia

I've noticed over the course of diabetic threads that there is talk about fiber and getting enough fiber. I've even asked about fiber myself. What is the main purpose of us wanting to add fiber into our diet? I thought that I had read in Taubes book that there fiber was one of those unproven hypotheses still circulating out in the world like the cholesterol hypothesis. I guess I ask about this because I'm still not clear about whether it serves a true benefit or not. Last night I saw chia seeds for sale at the grocery store and it was loaded with fiber and extremely low carb per serving. But it was very expensive too. I considered buying it but I'm not sure why if fiber serves no real benefit. Or maybe the amount of fiber a person consumes has no real benefit. See how confused I am? :D

 

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xMenace

It doesn't make sense to me to scrape my intestinal tract. I need to absorb nutriets. To me, sanding it surves no purpose.

 

Some claim it lowers cholesterol. I find this kind of far-fetched as it doesn't enter the blood stream. Perhaps it 's the scraping of nutrients off the linings¿ When you come to believe cholesterol is practically meaningless, this claim also becomes meaningless

 

The colon cancer thing seems to be a scare tactic. Yea a study showed correlation, maybe. I mostly ignore correlations (assumptions). I've found nothing convincing here.

 

Another benefit is the slowing of absorption. Kind of pointless if you don't eat sugars; there's no added benefit here.

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jwags

I am big on fiber consumption. Even on a low carb diet eating fiber helps me stay regular, lose weight and have no side effects from metformin. Things like flaxseeds and chia seeds help lower my bgs. I'm not sure why but they work. Often on a low carb diet people have problems with regularity, the fiber definitely helps clean me out. I buy Scandanvian Brancrisps from Netrition by the case. It is the only cracker I eat and I feel it has benefits. It is one of the few crackers Dr Bernstein recomends.

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raffi

Seeing as many foods come wrapped in fiber, I would guess it serves a purpose. Removing the fiber and eating the rest can be in issue (processed starches?) so I would not be surprised if removing everything else and just eating the fiber were an issue too. While I do add flaxseed to my veggies and pick veggies that are easier on the blood sugar (ie have plenty of fiber and not so starchy), I don't take fiber supplements.

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Gladtobehere

Generally speaking, the more fibre and water in the digestive tract the softer the end product. (If you catch my drift) The fiber adds to the volume in a significant way and improves regularity. The final result is that foods like meat have far less time to rot in the digestive tract. ROT is not digestion it is simply an undesirable thing. I believe (for me anyway) that your nose will tell you if food is spending too much time in the digestive tract.

 

I am in the more fibre camp with raffi and jwags.

 

I particularly enjoy 'edamame' (soybeans in the pod) as a snack. It is pretty high in fibre. My 6 year old grandaughter also loves them.

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MCS

I also consume lots of fiber, ground and whole flaxseed, pyslium powder, resistant starch.

 

Fiber serves a purpose physically and chemically. Physically, the proper bacterial flora in your large intestine need an environemnt to flourish. They need a medium and a food source to grow. From what I have read and proved for myself is having the proper bacterial flora results in changing the way my body digests and handles carbs. The bacterial by products in your large intestine, mostly shart chain fatty acids provide a sustainable energy source so your body becomes less occupied with carb digestion.

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xMenace
Generally speaking, the more fibre and water in the digestive tract the softer the end product. (If you catch my drift) The fiber adds to the volume in a significant way and improves regularity. The final result is that foods like meat have far less time to rot in the digestive tract. ROT is not digestion it is simply an undesirable thing. I believe (for me anyway) that your nose will tell you if food is spending too much time in the digestive tract.

 

I do believe that a more fibrous diet is more odorous. It's a benefit of HFLC. Fiber will certainly help with regularity, but I'm not sure there are any health impacts.

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jwags

Since increasing my fiber my HDL has sky rocketed. Last year it was 89. I also find I am less hungry between meals when I add fiber to my meals. I usually try to eat around 7-10 g of fiber per meal and 5 per snack , if I have one.

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MCS

Besides all of the fiber I consume in the form of veggies and cooked flaxseed, I drink 2 heaping tbs of flaxseed mixed with a tps of pyslium powder every night before bed. Once a week or so I drink 40g of resistant starch or eat lots of green bananas.

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Gladtobehere
I do believe that a more fibrous diet is more odorous.
In my case I find the opposite to be true. But I can certainly confirm that more fibre = more gas being produced. I guess like many things YMMV. Now if only we could figure out how to run the family sedan on the extra gas? :)

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k_dub

I typically eat a lot of fiber in the form of veggies and sometimes I eat beans. I found that when I first started the high fiber diet, there was more gas. But I found over time, that it goes away. I read something that confirmed that for me, but I don't remember where... At some point, your body gets used to it.

I do think fiber is important, but I'm not sure a blanket statement about X # of grams per day is appropriate. Definitely a YMMV thing as other have stated.

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Daytona

I am a big fan of regularly scheduled, non-traumatic toilet excursions. :D If I go more than a day or two, I OD on Metamucil until I achieve the desired result. Beyond that, I don't care about fiber one way or the other.

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samorgan

I don't think it is important or needed. Occasionally, I'll use it for a few weeks thinking that perhaps a "cleanse" is a good idea (and under heavy influence from my wife who uses it a LOT) but I believe that if you need it every day you're doing something wrong.

 

When I first started LC/HF, I took fiber supplements every day and believed I would always need to do so. Surprisingly, after a while I found I just didn't need it although my fiber consumption is less then before I changed my diet. I am regular at exactly once per day around the same time with almost no variation - something I have never experienced before this in my 58 years.

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jwags
I do believe that a more fibrous diet is more odorous. It's a benefit of HFLC. Fiber will certainly help with regularity, but I'm not sure there are any health impacts.

 

I think when you add fiber to your diet you add it slowly and that takes care of the gas problem. I eat lots of fiber and never have gas. But in the beginning it was quite muscial and I guess odorous, but not now.

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MCS

The gas from someone taking a lot of fiber that hasn't in the past is caused from the lack of the proper bacteria in your large intestine.

 

After eaing low fiber, high carb, and protien before Dxed my body altered my digestion thru formation of differing strains of bacteria not all good strains either. For me taking fiber is not about how many times I visit the small room, its about having the right bacteria in my large intestine to achive optimum health. The bacteria produced aids in carb digestion, your immune system, cholesterol management, toxin removal, etc..

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MrsMia
It doesn't make sense to me to scrape my intestinal tract. I need to absorb nutriets. To me, sanding it surves no purpose.

 

Some claim it lowers cholesterol. I find this kind of far-fetched as it doesn't enter the blood stream. Perhaps it 's the scraping of nutrients off the linings¿ When you come to believe cholesterol is practically meaningless, this claim also becomes meaningless

 

The colon cancer thing seems to be a scare tactic. Yea a study showed correlation, maybe. I mostly ignore correlations (assumptions). I've found nothing convincing here.

 

Another benefit is the slowing of absorption. Kind of pointless if you don't eat sugars; there's no added benefit here.

 

This is pretty much my current thinking. It wasn't always that way though. I remember my grandmother and even my father stirring up their daily dose of metamucil and drinking it down pretty quickly. Must have tasted awful at that time. Don't know if the taste has improved since then. Anyway, the only thing that makes me think added fiber would be beneficial, at least at this point in time, is perhaps if I had certain kinds of constipation that might come from medications or added iron to the diet. Haven't had those things. But I think for me the best thing that seems to work well right now is drinking adequate water or a bit more if needed, and eating some fibrous vegetables in my carb allowance every day. However, I really think it is the extra water that does the trick.

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princesslinda

Another fiber fan here! I find it keeps me from getting hungry as quickly as on days when I have less of it. I also like the way it helps "keep things moving easily," though I find the coconut oil capsules do the same thing.

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HelenM

There are 2 types of fibre, one adds bulk to stools (insoluble fibre)

The other sort, soluble fibre absorbs water and becomes gelatinous. This slows digestion. It is fermented in the colon and helps maintain 'healthy' bacteria on the colon wall. Some soluble fibres are thought to help lower cholesterol and help regulate the absorption of glucose (altering GI) .

One viscous soluble fibre is Beta glucans found in cereal brans, yeast and some mushrooms. There is evidence for it's efficacy from trials such as this one: (thats why the producers of oats can put a health claim on their packets.)

Nutrition Journal | Full text | Concentrated oat beta-glucan, a fermentable fiber, lowers serum cholesterol in hypercholesterolemic adults in a randomized controlled trial Nutrition Journal

It has a quite a detailed (and difficult for the non specialist) discussion about it's possible mechanism of action.

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Daytona

After drinking numerous sugar free Metamucils this week I can attest that they taste just fine, like wattered down Tang or ... well Tang really. :)

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