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Barry6547

Lingering Question....

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Barry6547

It has been quite a while since I have signed in at this site, and it has definitely changed.  I have been very low carb for several years and as long as I follow that regimen I can keep the fasting numbers below 100. Sometimes I get so hungry for popcorn, or ice-cream offered by a friend, and I pay for that with higher numbers for a while.  Here's a lingering concern...every medical site, every major medical institution, such as Mayo Clinic, all strongly suggest a balanced diet to include fruits, vegetables, grains, etc., and caution about consuming too much meat, especially red.  That said, if I ate as they recommend, my blood sugar would skyrocket and my beta cells would be shot.  These recommendations seem to come from all parts of the medical establishment....endocrinologists, deiticians, as well as diabetes associations.  One common thread they seem to share is that eating a lot of meat is bad and that a well-balanced diet = longevity.  How are many of you folks getting the protein you need?  What's the danger about ketones?

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Kit

I'll toss in a few more links

 

https://robbwolf.com/2017/01/05/why-wont-we-tell-diabetics-the-truth/

http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2015/09/its-the-insulin-1.html - A longer series of articles, but a fascinating and informative read.

 

I don't shy away from meat.  However, that does not mean I eat huge quantities of the stuff.  I eat beef, though I have personal preferences towards fish, seafood, and pork, so I don't eat it as often as I do the others.  That said, I adore a good steak.

 

However, I eat a large amount of vegetables and they comprise the majority of the bulk of my diet.  They are just low carb vegetables.  You know the ones that are good for us but none of the doctors tell us to actually eat.  They're too focused on the fruits and grains.

 

At my last doctor's appointment, I was told I could eat chocolate cake in moderation.  I just crossed my eyes and shook my head.  Of course the same doctors don't want their patients to test too often.  When I broke my ankle, the hospital had to check my BG levels before meals (so they could give me insulin if I was over 200) but refused to test my levels after meals.  "You'll be high" I was told.  I responded with "not if you're doing it right!"

 

I don't get the emotional reactions from others if they learn you are on a low carb diet.  Not just doctors, but people in general.  You rarely get flack if you're vegetarian, or gluten free, or similar.  But if you avoid sugars and starches, you are some virulent plague carrier who is going to destroy not only your own health but the health of every person you pass as you walk down the street.  To be honest in my opinion that is very sick behavior.

 

Oh and regards to ketones.  This is a serious misunderstanding.  Diabetic ketoacidosis is a very dangerous situation.  But its also a bit of a unique situation.  Its caused by a mixture of high BG levels and very low levels of insulin. Ketones are created by the body as it cannibalizes itself in attempts to get energy.  But its breaking down muscle, which means just more glucose, making the situation even worse.

 

Ketosis, however, is a bit different.  In this situation, BG levels are low because of the very minimal carb and protein impacts.  In the absence of excess glucose (and carbs), the body switches its energy source to ketones, which is creates from fats (dietary or body).

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Hammer

Barry6547, the reason that you hear doctors telling you the exact opposite of what we all here say, is because doctors are taught wrong in medical school, and a lot of that blame is because the American Diabetes Association is giving this bad information to the doctors.  Like we all, know, if you eat to your meter, you can see that what the doctors are telling you is wrong, and what we mention here is right.

 

Heck, there was one guy here (a type 2 diabetic) who owned a contracting business, and he went to the hospital with a lesion on the bottom of his foot.  The doctors tried everything, but the lesion only got worse.  They told him that the only solution was to amputate his foot.  He refused, and left the hospital.  He had read here about eating a low carb/high fat diet, so he did that, and in two weeks, the lesion had healed.  He went back to the hospital, and showed the doctors his foot.  The doctors were amazed, and asked him what he did to heal the lesion.  He told them that he just switched to a low carb/high fat diet.  They didn't believe him and told him that switching to a diet like that was bad for a diabetic, and that just changing his diet couldn't have cause the lesion to heal.  This guy showed them actual proof, and they still refused to believe him.  That's how badly misinformed lots of doctors are.

 

Another example....there are some nights when I need to run my ham radio net from the local hospital, since we have a HEARS (Hospital Emergency Amateur Radio Service) radio room there.  As I walk to the radio room, I pass a conference room that has a sign "Diabetes Education Room".  As I walk past the room, I look in the window near the back of the room, and like the AA meetings that I see on TV, there is a table full of sodas, fruit drinks, cookies, donuts, etc.  I mean REALLY?....in a diabetes education room?....in a hospital?

 

As for protein, while I like all types of meat, I eat 3 hard boiled eggs every morning for breakfast, so eggs are another good source of protein.  When I hear the medical establishment saying that red meat is bad for you, I just ignore it.  The medical establishment doesn't have a good track record for telling us what is good or bad for us.  At one time, they said that butter was bad for you and that you should switch to margarine.  Years later they reversed that and said to eat butter, and avoid margarine.  At one time they said that eating too many eggs would raise your cholesterol, now they say that cholesterol in the foods you eat has no effect on your body's cholesterol (they are two different things).  Many years ago, the artificial sweeteners contained cyclamates, and they found that consuming cyclamates caused cancer.  Their testing revealed that if, everyday,  you drank 150 twelve ounce cans of soda sweetened with cyclamates, you might develop cancer.   There isn't enough time in a day to drink 150 twelve ounce cans of anything, not to mention that no one could drink that much liquid.  So when the medical establishment makes certain claims, it pays to research it for yourself.:)

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dowling gram

My doctor may be a thing of the past in a week or so. I switched doctors last April because my old doctor was on the other end of town and it was difficult for me to get there. Bad mistake. What I got was a doctor who wants to control me and test me for things I do not need and show no symptoms of and she wants to screw around with my diabetes regime.

 

Almost the first words out of her mouth was I'd like to test you for dementia. I sat there with my mouth open for a few minutes and then said there is nothing wrong with my mind. Nothing doing she keeps making appointments and I keep cancelling them.

 

She informed me that I no longer have to test at home and she wants an A1C every 3 months. I said I do need to test at home so I know what's happening and Because my A1C has been under 6 for the last 4 years my old doctor said every 6 months is sufficient. She scathingly said I require all my diabetics to have blood tests every 3 months so I'm lumped in with every other diabetic. She also wanted to change my meds but i firmly said no way. Why would you want to tinker with something that works and is causing no trouble so she dropped the subject. Frankly I think she wants an out of control diabetic so she can be in charge.

 

On my last appointment out of the blue she informed me that she had made an appointment with a Neurosurgeon for Parkinson's testing. This based on the fact that I moved my body when I was talking to  her about diabetes.. I was fidgeting to use an understandable term. That is not even a symptom of Parkinson's and any concerns she may have should be discussed with me before any appointment is made.

 

She was the one to request this visit so we'll see what comes of it. I will not be lead by the nose. I am responsible for my own health. What I need is a doctor who will work with me for my best health and it doesn't seem like she is the one

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adiantum

DG is it possible this doctor is getting rewards from the specialists to which she refers? 

Holiday accommodation, restaurants etc?

 

The trend here is to ask the aged  patient to spell WORLD backwards.

This has all the oldies practicing DLROW . Although they can now spell it backwards, theyre not sure if thats a good or a bad thing

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adiantum

DG, I cant get this off my mind.

 That neurosurgeon she is referring you to also has the power to Dx dementia and it would depend on what private conversations that GP has had with him.

 

That would put an end to your drivers license.

 

I'd take Mikes advice & run very fast.

 

Find a new doctor immediately , even if you have to be inconvenienced by the long distance to your old GP.

 you only need to make that journey twice a year.

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dowling gram
20 minutes ago, adiantum said:

DG, I cant get this off my mind.

 That neurosurgeon she is referring you to also has the power to Dx dementia and it would depend on what private conversations that GP has had with him.

 

That would put an end to your drivers license.

 

I'd take Mikes advice & run very fast.

 

Find a new doctor immediately , even if you have to be inconvenienced by the long distance to your old GP.

 you only need to make that journey twice a year.

Don't worry. I do want to see what she has to say but I'm afraid things won't work out with her. I may not be able to get back on with my old doctor but I'll use walk-in-clinics until I can find a new doctor. It will involve a lot of waiting because it's first come first served but anything's better than this nonsense. I certainly don't have dementia and I refuse to be tested for it. There's no definitive test and it's only the doctors word against mine so that would go on my record and I'd be fighting it for the rest of my life. I have a lot more on the ball than she thinks.

I know the genetics doctor is in the same office and maybe she is working something with the neurosurgeon too. It's a group that have clinics all over the province. After I tell her goodbye I will be reporting this scam to OHIP. Sending me to specialists for no reason is defrauding our health care system

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Kit

That sounds like defrauding to me as well. I too would be looking somewhere else.  It would make me extremely uncomfortable. 

 

I have had doctors in the past who seemed like control freaks. They also didn't like me taking control of my situation. 

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TX_Clint

I’m also struggling with a new GP after moving here to Galveston. I saw him a few weeks ago and he ordered labs  that same day. I told him that in the future the labs should be done a few days before my appointment with him but he won’t do that. Because they do the labs in the clinic he gets the results the same day. I told him that really doesn’t work for me because we can’t discuss the lab results until the next appointment. He still says he won’t do the labs before our appointment. Well, sure enough my cholesterol total came back 10 points high and I get a call from my pharmacy telling me I have a script for a statin to pick up which I told them no thanks. No call from the doctor to discuss this. I’m looking for a new GP.

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Kit

My biggest annoyance with doctors seems to be the assumption that I have nothing better to do with my life than go to various doctor appointments. 

 

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adiantum

That seems to be worldwide

8 hours ago, Kit said:

My biggest annoyance with doctors seems to be the assumption that I have nothing better to do with my life than go to various doctor appointments. 

 

 

It can take me 3 days for my blood tests.

One for the referral, one for the lab & then if theres an issue the doctor calls me in to discuss it.

Each visit costs me $60 in taxi fares.

I used to catch a bus but the bus company ( gov) changed the route & now its 2 busses , so taxi is the preferred option.

I've asked the doctor to give me the results over the phone or have the nurse ring but she insists on me visiting.

 

I'll stay with this GP as I hope to be moving to a new district.

Then I too will have to shop around for a GP

 

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