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Does drinking water help blood sugar levels?

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Emma

My son has been told he has high blood sugar (averages about 9.0) and the doctor called it pre-diabetes which Ive heard a lot of people say just means the same as Type 2 diabetes....anyway....my son refuses to drink plain water and just drinks low fat milk....I know if I could somehow make the idea of drinking water more appealing to him, he might come around to doing it. I know this might sound silly, but does drinking water affect blood sugar and if so do any of you have any experience with it? I would think it would be easier on the kidneys.

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adiantum

water is the best liquid & will certainly support kidney function.

I dont like drinking it at room temperature but love it when icy cold or hot.

A cup of hot water is very pleasant.

 Low fat milk is almost the worst thing he could drink just seconded to soft drinks. Full cream milk will have less carbs but its still carby.

 

If his BG has averaged at 9.0 that is not " pre D " , that is D but  he also might have type1 or 1.5 . what tests did the doctor have run.
 

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Emma

@adiantum he had to do a glucose tolerance test and a HbA1C...Im not sure what the values were but the doctor said he was glucose intolerant or something like that and had to be careful as it would turn in to diabetes. I have had my suspicions about him being type 1. He was an overactive child and a teacher of his (when he was about 8 yrs old) had said to me that she thought he might have diabetes but I never did anything about it. But how would we be able to know? I tried water for dinner with a squeeze of lemon juice...that went down pretty good. Im pretty worried and think perhaps I should take him somewhere more knowledgeable...but where? Not even the Qld Diabetes Assoc has got back to me with any education after 2 weeks. And the nutritionist at the hospital wont accept the doctors referral to see her as he is pre diabetic and not deemed unhealthy enough. Difficult but I am glad the forum is here....thanks 🌸🌸

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Dowling

The diabetes association is the worst place you can go for information. I went there when first diagnosed I went there, got horrible info ,left and vowed never to return. They are in the dark ages when it comes to diabetes. Try to find an Endocrinologist--a doctor who is a specialist in diabetes. Ask him about testing for type 1. You didn't mention his age but if he's young it's likely that he is type 1. Very few young people are type 2.The best thing he can do is change his diet to a low carb high fat one. Actually the weight loss craze "Keto" going on now follows the same diet as we do to lower our Blood glucose so if he follows that his blood sugar will go down.

 

I'm not crazy about plain tap water or bottled water but I've found PC lemon flavored water very palatable so you might try a flavored water

 

With a blood glucose of 9  I agree that your son is diabetic not pre-diabetic. If he follows the diet it may be a long time before he needs medication,  I suggest you read Dr. Bernstein's book"the diabetes solution". He had type 1 diabetes since childhood, found a way to help himself and lived to a ripe old age with no diabetes complications. The last I heard he was in his 80's but that was a few years ago. Anyway it's a great book that answers lots of questions

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don1942

Drinking water is good for your kidney function and it is a good way to keep hydrated. Dehydration causes you blood to thicker which will increase the concentration of glucose in your blood. It is not a treatment for diabetes, but will help reduce blood glucose levels when it starts to rise.

 

i have recently started to drink flavored sparkling water.

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meyery2k

Beverages can be interesting.  Water is the best beverage.  I loved Coca-Cola and did use diet soda to help wean me away from it.  Eventually, the diet soda became a once in a while thing.  When cycling water is it for me.  I have Nuun electrolyte tablets that I add on long rides.  Sparkling waters are good too and they have helped me.

 

The sweet flavor of diet soda can cause your body to release insulin (like a Pavlovian thing) and this can then increase your appetite.  I am also leery of the aspartame used as a sweetener.

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adiantum

@Emma, be thankful you have not been referred to education classes nor a  hospitals nutritionist as they will have him consuming more carbs then he can tolerate.

I attended those classes but luckily I found this forum before & could see the difference. My luck was also to live in a neighbourhood where diabetics lived that followed  those guidelines the ADA  recommended. They were much older then your son & had serious complications  even though they stuck to that diet.  I consider people here who live successfully & without complications on a ( LC/HF )  low carb / high fat diet are the professionals.

 

Is your son really obese? as that might be why his doctor only tested for glucose & A1c

I'd give it perhaps a  few weeks to see if his new nutrition regime has seen improvements in his BG readings.

If it doesnt improve, then go back & ask for antibodies tests GADA.

this link might explain that.

https://www.labtestsonline.org.au/learning/test-index/diabetes-auto

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Emma
13 hours ago, don1942 said:

Drinking water is good for your kidney function and it is a good way to keep hydrated. Dehydration causes you blood to thicker which will increase the concentration of glucose in your blood. It is not a treatment for diabetes, but will help reduce blood glucose levels when it starts to rise.

 

i have recently started to drink flavored sparkling water.

@don1942 he had a glass with breakfast...he grumbled a bit as hes not a keen water drinker but anyway, the drink went down and anyway after a breakfast of cut up cold steak on a wrap, 2 hrs later it was 8.1...so not perfect blood sugar but much better than if hed had a big 800ml of milk as he normally would. What sort of flavoured sparkled water do you recommend? He doesnt like the chlorine taste of our water...hes a bit precious isnt he? Lol... 

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Emma

@Dowling yeah Im thinking youre right about the diabetes association. I had a look on their site and the education is very broad and as you said 'in the dark ages'. My son is 19. I posted about him on another thread so you would know about him from that...(yes its me again). But he has had blood tests in the past since probably the age for other things like viral infections where his glucose was high and the docs said it was due to i fection although liver seemed fine...anyway so yes it seems his sugar has been out for a few years...Im sorry I seem like I havent been careful to have questioned it in the past. I guess I trusted the doctor too much. I will look at the flavoured water you suggested...thanks! 😊

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Emma

@meyery2k I remember hearing a few years ago that aspartame was not helpful for diabetics...but wasnt sure of its actual effect...thanks for  shedding some light on its mechanism. His weakness is milk...he just loves it...light milk but still...a carb item all the same. He says he cant handle the chlorine taste of tap water...he says ot makes his throat feel weird and dry and when I add lemon its then sour...hey, you know teenagers they love to dramatise and such. Anyway I will do some trials. He was happy (secretly pf course) that by not drinking milk this morning but water instead, his sugar was lower...8.1 at about 11am a couple of hours after a good steak and cheese wrap.

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Emma

Thank you @adiantum. You're right I should be thankful we didnt get caught up with the dietitians and 'educators'...lol. I am starting to see that they all put diabetics into one basket so it seems. And use a one size fits all method to 'cure'. I hope to be able to continue to use the forum here as a valuable support for Noah.

As for whether hes obese....hes about 6 foot 2...very broad and heavy set..he weighs about 115kg..he has thick thighs and some weight around lower abdomen but it isnt loose. Do you think we should see some more doctors? 

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adiantum

I'd wait a few weeks to see how he goes  .

I hope the doctor gave you forms to send to national diabetes NDSS as they  subsidize the cost of test strips.

I'm on a pension so  I only pay 60c  for 50 strips

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Emma

@adiantum. No we didnt get any forms from the doctor. The last time we visited was for my sons ear infection and as a side note, the doctor took his blood sugar (was about 9 something mid afternoon following 3 choc chip biscuits) and then said he should go for an A1C and test full blood counts, lipids biochem etc. No formal diagnosis...it all sort of stopped at glucose intolerance when he was told that a couple of years ago.

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Emma

@Dowling I forgot to mention that he doesnt mind the idea of the keto diet. A favourite teacher of his used to rave to the students about it a few years ago and he jas talked a lot about the concepts of it. I must admit, the lo carb idea was very uncomfortable for me at first because its always been drummed in to me that we need heaps of carbs etc. (you know what I mean) but wow I am going through a learning curve now seeing that a way pf eating that I had always frowned on is helping my son! So, yes I am feeling weird and chuckling to myself looking at keto foods and recipes....keeping in mind that he needs his greens too (hed go completely vege free if it was his choice). He thinks hes somewhat of a viking..

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Emma

Well todays been a little positive step for us I think. Cut way back on milk...I actually dont think hes had any yet though I did say milk is good for him but just to have smaller glasses of it  not 700ml cupfuls every hour. So breakfast for him was a bit carby...the wrap was carby. Then he had just water and some snacks of pepperoni and cheesy crackers (thanks adiantum)..bg was 8.1  -  2 hours after that. Then for lunch he made himself avocado on toast (sliced his bread thinner without me needing to say a word about it) and had a frozen juice popper. I went down to our local shop and bought some flavoured water (thanks Dowling and meyery) and some sparkling flavoured Mt Franklin water (thanks don1942) and he smiled! Omg! Did his bg just before...was 7.8. Small steps make big progress dont you think? Thanks for the valuable advice regarding autoantibody testing @adantium about GADA..I will surely keep you up to date with meter readings. Also @Dowling I shall look up The Diabetes Solution. Id even wondered about cortisol levels as he does suffer with social anxiety.

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meyery2k

One mile at a time - Good news...

 

Since I had so much to change in the beginning, I found it easier to concentrate on things that helped my glucose.  The weight loss followed.  I did have to work on eating less food and that was a bit difficult but I found I could eat smaller quantities and stay full using good fats.

 

Yeah - There is a lot of pushback when low carb is mentioned.  You don't need carbs. Fats can do the job.  I use to eat carbs during rest stops when cycling and they are great.  Give an energy boost.  The energy burns out faster though.  I bring along snack packs of salted macadamia nuts or nut butter.  On our group ride all these guys had their glucose cubes and I had macadamia nuts.  Right after the rest, they were killing me but I just kept steady on.  Eventually the carbs gave up and the combination of fats and endurance put me in the lead.  Doesn't happen often with that group since they train to race but, once in a while, it all lines up for me.  The energy takes longer to kick in but it is more steady and doesn't leave you suddenly like carbs can.

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Hammer

Emma, milk raises your glucose levels.  I'm sure you've heard of people who couldn't drink milk, because they were lactose intolerant.  Milk contains lactose, and lactose is milk SUGAR.  It doesn't matter if it's 2%, skim milk, whatever, it still contains lactose.

 

As for water, I buy cases of water all of the time.  I used to buy Poland Springs, which I considered to have the best taste, but it's hard to find in my area these days, so I had to switch to Deer Park.  I've had people tell me that water has no taste, so I'd give them a bottle of the store brand of water, then a bottle of Poland Springs.  After they tasted both, they could taste the difference.  It's not that the store brand tastes bad, it just has an odd aftertaste. 

 

Anyway, as the others have said, changing his diet slowly is the best way to do it.  Change something that he usually eats, to something that is healthier for him.  A lot of the members here will tell you that when they first tried to change from their high carb foods to the low carb foods, they didn't like the low carb foods, but after a while, they found that their taste buds had changed, and they now liked the low carb foods, and didn't like the high carb foods.  I think that what happens is that, after a while, your taste buds adapt to the new foods.

 

I drink lots of diet soda (Sprite Zero), and when I first switched from regular, sugared Sprite, I didn't care for it.  But now, I really like the diet version of it, and if someone gave me a glass of the sugared version, I couldn't drink it...it tastes way too syrupy sweet.

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